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OK... TRUTHERS. Let's say you DO get your "New Investigation"[W:83,721]

stundie said:
Seriously, you are going to deny what you have been claiming for months on end?! lol

You hold the opinion that the compression isn't a fusion of molten steel and concrete, you have no evidence that its anything else, yet you ignore all the evidence in order to hold on to that opinion.
I've already said that I would employ a 9/11 families commission in a new investigation and don't care who services they employ, that would be up to them.

Other than that, I've given up on having a serious debate with you.

It can't be done with someone whose an intellectual coward.
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Where have I stated my opinion is evidence?

Support or retract.
 
Fledermaus said:
Where have I stated my opinion is evidence?

Support or retract.
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I never said you stated that your opinions are evidence......lol

However, it's clear that you believe your opinions are evidence, the molten steel thread proves this!

Again, the same reading comprehension problems arise yet again! lol
 
stundie said:
I've given up on having a serious debate with you.
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Congrats, you reached the same conclusion I did months ago.

It can't be done with someone whose an intellectual coward.
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and intellectually insulting.
 
Fledermaus said:
Will the proponents of a "new investigation" please detail what they believe they will find.
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It's hard to know what they even think actually happened... CD means someone placed devices.. organized all the planes as a cover story...even staged Shanksville. That to me implies people within the USG/intel black ops because private individuals don't have the means to do such things (presumably). Since there is no physical evidence of devices perhaps they can compel testimony and find snitches who will expose the insiders who did 9/11 and then make them fess up to the details of their operation.

Of course this is so far fetched it defies credulity.

The best case might be for a LIHOP... Hawks wanted war and knew what the US had pissed off AQ who they expected would at some point strike... giving the hawks and excuse to war in the ME. They might not have expected the extent of the success... or multiple target and so on... but they supposedly being cynical SOBs would let the operation go forward because without it there would never be a pretext for war. Overseas attacks didn't seem to energize the public enough to demand vengeance.

Or maybe the investigation would reveal all manner of incompetence and bumbling... a broken very very expensive national security state which was apparently completely ineffective to stop terrorist attacks... and we've seem a whole bunch since around the world which DON'T get stopped (and we will see more). These sorts of low tech operations.... despite the fact that there is planning and coordination by the terrorists... are well nigh to impossible to thwart unless intel is literally inside these cells. I suppose this is the 10 ton gorilla.... we can't stop or prevent terrorist acts.

What we would need to do is change the conditions which give rise to terrorism in the first place.
 
Fledermaus said:
Will the proponents of a "new investigation" please detail what they believe they will find.
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You are a few steps ahead of the game. First they have to decide what specifically needs investigation and why. The only answer you are likely to get there being everything and because, which is no where near good enough.
 
SanderO said:
It's hard to know what they even think actually happened... CD means someone placed devices.. organized all the planes as a cover story...even staged Shanksville. That to me implies people within the USG/intel black ops because private individuals don't have the means to do such things (presumably). Since there is no physical evidence of devices perhaps they can compel testimony and find snitches who will expose the insiders who did 9/11 and then make them fess up to the details of their operation.

Of course this is so far fetched it defies credulity.

The best case might be for a LIHOP... Hawks wanted war and knew what the US had pissed off AQ who they expected would at some point strike... giving the hawks and excuse to war in the ME. They might not have expected the extent of the success... or multiple target and so on... but they supposedly being cynical SOBs would let the operation go forward because without it there would never be a pretext for war. Overseas attacks didn't seem to energize the public enough to demand vengeance.

Or maybe the investigation would reveal all manner of incompetence and bumbling... a broken very very expensive national security state which was apparently completely ineffective to stop terrorist attacks... and we've seem a whole bunch since around the world which DON'T get stopped (and we will see more). These sorts of low tech operations.... despite the fact that there is planning and coordination by the terrorists... are well nigh to impossible to thwart unless intel is literally inside these cells. I suppose this is the 10 ton gorilla.... we can't stop or prevent terrorist acts.

What we would need to do is change the conditions which give rise to terrorism in the first place.
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LIHOP is the only sane version of the Conspiracy Theory sort. The problem is if "they" knew so much, why didn't "they" merely stop the attacks and parade the would be martyrs in front of the cameras for the world to see? You get your war in Afghanistan and you save billions of dollars in damages and save thousands of lives. Imagine Bush's ratings if "he" thwarted an attack of this proportion.

And, the investigations did show a fair amount of incompetence and bumbling... From the FBI not following up leads, to not being allowed to access Mossaui's laptop, to the Visa fiasco, the Military CYA exercise, etc.

I always have stated a small group of determined individuals with modest means and determination can bring down giants.

The sinking of the SMS Viribus Unitis is a perfect example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Viribus_Unitis
 
Mark F said:
You are a few steps ahead of the game. First they have to decide what specifically needs investigation and why. The only answer you are likely to get there being everything and because, which is no where near good enough.
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What and Why are never discussed... True.
 
Fledermaus said:
What and Why are never discussed... True.
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Well, it requires thinking to come up with what and why and back it up and as we know thinking is a precious and rare asset in the target group.
 
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