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Flight 370's Boeing 777 was almost certainly stolen to deliver a nuke.

Scenario: Iranians take control of Flight 370 with or without pilot cooperation. Takeover is timed perfectly as Flight 370 leaves Malaysian air-control. Hijackers first increase altitude and equalize cabin pressure to kill passengers. They turn west and drop altitude and set course to carefully avoid detection, minimizing time over land, avoiding air defense detection, not flying too high or too low and not wasting fuel. They then fly the plane to a safe location, maybe directly to Iran. Once the aircraft is safely hidden at Iran's chosen location, phase II of the plan starts.

The plan involves reprogramming the transponder to match a normal scheduled flight at some later date. Iranians have shown particular skill at reprogramming U.S. aircraft (e.g. drone takeover). They unload the plane of hundreds of dead bodies, remove the seats and load it with a nuclear bomb. Then the heart of the larger (phase III) plan goes into effect.

At a carefully chosen time and remote location, Iran (presumably) takes-down a regularly scheduled flight and at the same time put their newly outfitted 777 into the exact flight pattern of the original flight. Over a remote location, this substitution would be relatively easy to accomplish and very difficult to detect. Having reprogrammed the transponder, Western officials would have no way to determine the nuke-laden aircraft isn't the original. Iran's new perfect weapon flies normally to intended destination and detonates at a low altitude over a major city, intended for maximum effect. Maximum effect is a million or more dead and a million or more casualties. U.S. officials ask, "how could we have known?"

The whole plan is brilliant in it's simplicity, effectiveness and relative low risk. If thwarted at any point, it becomes merely a hijacking gone awry. The plan requires state resources, though. Premonition to plan, hide the aircraft, dispose of hundreds of bodies, etc. Skilled operatives to disable Flight 370, skilled mechanics to reprogram transponders and nuclear scientists for weaponization of the plane. An entire second plan is needed to implement the replacement of a normal flight pattern aircraft at a future date, but this is very difficult for us to defend against. One might even assume phase I was predicated on having willing pilots flying existing routes for phase III.

Evidence:

- Carefully orchestrated take-over of Flight 370
- Iranians use stolen passports to board flight 370
- Flight 370 goes off-course seconds after signing off with Malaysian air control
- Flight path appears intended to throw off detection
- Transponders disabled with great precision and foreknowledge
- Altitude (45k ft) appears intended to kill potentially unruly passengers without destroying plane
- Flight direction towards Iran/Middle East

- One presumes Iran has nukes, but they are too large to deliver by missile or Iron-Dome countermeasures
- Iran has taken over U.S. drone aircraft previously
- China is helping Iran build military bases (presumably to protect China's oil interests)
- Russia helps Iran with nuclear technology and other state terrorism.

Particularly gruesome is the apparent plan to kill hundreds of passengers in their seats by suffocation of altitude. And a plan that involved packing hundreds of dead bodies off the plane to clear the way for a nuke. These facts indicate determination to keep that plane intact. They also require a dedicated crew of ground forces to hide the plane and the bodies.

Questions: How much spare fuel did Flight 370 receive? Could the aircraft make it to Iran? Where did it land and where is it now? What is Iran's nuclear development state? Have they tested a weapon without us knowing? Are they waiting to test their nuke before implementing this plan or are they ready now?

I was world-first to post this scenario on 11 March in another forum. The fact nobody in the press or otherwise seems to have picked up this fairly obvious scenario is disturbing. Disturbing, because if nobody looks for it, it's more likely to occur. The more aware we are of the possibility of a nuke-laden 777, the less likely the outcome. So, spread the word please.

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Is this your prospective movie/book or a real theory? Iran already has some big planes in their countries airlines like some older 747s, no need to steal one and risk an international incident
 
With the passing of Tom Clancy there maybe a future for you in fantasy fiction.

Then again, given how many leaps of faith your story needs- the engines 'ping' every hour and the pings stopped well short of Iran- maybe not. :peace
 
This should be in the CT section
 
Using one of Iran's own aircraft poses several problems for Iran:

1) Plausible deniability. Iran may attempt to deny involvement after such an attack, but using their own aircraft may compromise such a claim.
2) U.S. or Israel may keep tabs on Iranian aircraft
3) U.S. or others may have countermeasures built-into Iranian aircraft
4) Iran may not be the state-actor in this plan to deliver a nuke to a Western city. Iran is most likely, but even knowing the plan, who can say for sure? Could be a Putin false-flag operation, for example? Doesn't save the Western city, but it does make identifying the perpetrator that much more difficult.

It seems obvious the hijackers went to great lengths to keep the aircraft intact and its flight path hidden. Hijackers may not have known about the satellite engine reporting, otherwise why go to such lengths to turn off transponders, etc.? What other purpose would one have for stealing a fairly new 777, if not to deliver a nuke by the most effective means possible? Why go to such lengths to protect the aircraft, if one simply wanted another terrorist attack?

Every step of this event seems carefully planned to protect and save that aircraft. Protected and saved for a reason.
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This post isn't in the CT section for several reasons

1) Huge media interest and millions asking "what possible purpose was this hijacking?"
2) General interest of all of us to track this down
3) Political implications of a probable state-actor involved with the hijacking
4) The extreme threat level this scenario playing out.

If facts on the ground contra-indicate this scenario, by all means, move it to CT. Until then, moving it threatens to dismiss the very real possibility. Imagine how one might feel if that 777 is used to nuke a Western city, but this thread was dismissed as a CT theory?

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Using one of Iran's own aircraft poses several problems for Iran:

1) Plausible deniability. Iran may attempt to deny involvement after such an attack, but using their own aircraft may compromise such a claim.
2) U.S. or Israel may keep tabs on Iranian aircraft
3) U.S. or others may have countermeasures built-into Iranian aircraft
4) Iran may not be the state-actor in this plan to deliver a nuke to a Western city. Iran is most likely, but even knowing the plan, who can say for sure? Could be a Putin false-flag operation, for example? Doesn't save the Western city, but it does make identifying the perpetrator that much more difficult.

It seems obvious the hijackers went to great lengths to keep the aircraft intact and its flight path hidden. Hijackers may not have known about the satellite engine reporting, otherwise why go to such lengths to turn off transponders, etc.? What other purpose would one have for stealing a fairly new 777, if not to deliver a nuke by the most effective means possible? Why go to such lengths to protect the aircraft, if one simply wanted another terrorist attack?

Every step of this event seems carefully planned to protect and save that aircraft. Protected and saved for a reason.
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This post isn't in the CT section for several reasons

1) Huge media interest and millions asking "what possible purpose was this hijacking?"
2) General interest of all of us to track this down
3) Political implications of a probable state-actor involved with the hijacking
4) The extreme threat level this scenario playing out.

If facts on the ground contra-indicate this scenario, by all means, move it to CT. Until then, moving it threatens to dismiss the very real possibility. Imagine how one might feel if that 777 is used to nuke a Western city, but this thread was dismissed as a CT theory?

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You say it was Iran stealing Nukes with no evidence just conjecture that makes it a CT, thus it belongs there.
 
Maybe it's not in the CT section because nobody has reported it, and no mod has stumbled across it yet.

That's easily remedied. :mrgreen:
 
Maybe it's not in the CT section because nobody has reported it, and no mod has stumbled across it yet.

That's easily remedied. :mrgreen:

It's only called a conspiracy theory when it's about the possible duplicity by 'Murica. Not those poorer countries where the brown people live.
 
When the 777 flies into a Western city unimpeded, detonates and kills millions, I'll expect an apology for moving this thread from "General" to "Conspiracy Theory." Think an apology will be sufficient? Few will ever know, but y'all will know. Good luck meeting your maker with that on your hands.

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1, The Persian Gulf is infested with radars. The alternative is to somehow fly over India/Pakistan, again lots of radars.

2, Iran does not have a nuke.

3, This is silly.
 
Steal an airliner full of ppl to deliver a nuke? KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Iran has a MUCH easier way of delivery. Cargo ship. They even purchased some russian launchers that fit the bill. Eady to hide. They could park off the Eastern seaboard and fire a medium range rocket that would give us three to five minute warning before detonation. DC, NYC, Norfolk. All quite easily hit from 20 miles out to sea. Mych easier means of delivery.
 
When the 777 flies into a Western city unimpeded, detonates and kills millions, I'll expect an apology for moving this thread from "General" to "Conspiracy Theory." Think an apology will be sufficient? Few will ever know, but y'all will know. Good luck meeting your maker with that on your hands.

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And how long do we have to wait before you admit this is just another silly CT? 1 week, 1 year, 10 years, 100 years?
 
When the 777 flies into a Western city unimpeded, detonates and kills millions, I'll expect an apology for moving this thread from "General" to "Conspiracy Theory." Think an apology will be sufficient? Few will ever know, but y'all will know. Good luck meeting your maker with that on your hands.

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What "god" is going to judge us when we die because an internet forum moved a silly thread to a sub-forum dedicated to this type of idea?????

I mean really - if that's the case I'm burning in hell for flushing a spider down the toilet too aren't I?

Take yourself a bit too seriously much????
 
What "god" is going to judge us when we die because an internet forum moved a silly thread to a sub-forum dedicated to this type of idea?????

I mean really - if that's the case I'm burning in hell for flushing a spider down the toilet too aren't I?

Take yourself a bit too seriously much????

Yes for spiders because they do Gods work eating other creepy crawlies, but if it was cockroaches they are itty bitty foot soldeirs of the devil and help insure your rightfu place in the hereafter
 
When the 777 flies into a Western city unimpeded, detonates and kills millions, I'll expect an apology for moving this thread from "General" to "Conspiracy Theory." Think an apology will be sufficient? Few will ever know, but y'all will know. Good luck meeting your maker with that on your hands.

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and if the 777 does not fly into a Western city or any city and does not detonate and kill millions. We will expect an apology from you along with an admission that it was a CT all along.

CT authors and poster rarely admit they were/are wrong.
 
I like how he thinks there's "evidence" that this was a "carefully orchestrated takeover"
 
and if the 777 does not fly into a Western city or any city and does not detonate and kill millions. We will expect an apology from you along with an admission that it was a CT all along.

CT authors and poster rarely admit they were/are wrong.

1. I already beat you to the punch see post #14 :ninja:
2. CTers NEVER admit that they are wrong
 
and if the 777 does not fly into a Western city or any city and does not detonate and kill millions. We will expect an apology from you along with an admission that it was a CT all along.

CT authors and poster rarely admit they were/are wrong.

You dont get it seen because he exposed the truth hes a hero! He stopped millions from dying!
 
I have a question regarding the advantage of using a stolen airplane:

What "plausible deniability" advantage is there of using the stolen plane after the plane detonates in a nuclear fireball? There's not going to be anything left. Nobody would even know what type of plane it was, let alone who it belonged to, unless there was visual contact. In which case you could just paint up any old 737 with whatever colors you like. Heck, paint it up like Air Force One. Anyone in visual range close enough to make out aircraft type is probably going to be killed in the explosion anyway.

Why on earth does it make more sense to conduct an elaborate and risky hijacking that will generate a huge amount of attention?
 
I have a question regarding the advantage of using a stolen airplane:

What "plausible deniability" advantage is there of using the stolen plane after the plane detonates in a nuclear fireball? There's not going to be anything left. Nobody would even know what type of plane it was, let alone who it belonged to, unless there was visual contact. In which case you could just paint up any old 737 with whatever colors you like. Heck, paint it up like Air Force One. Anyone in visual range close enough to make out aircraft type is probably going to be killed in the explosion anyway.

Why on earth does it make more sense to conduct an elaborate and risky hijacking that will generate a huge amount of attention?

Especially when they could "hijack" one of tyheir own planes with 100% guarantee of success. The OP is just another CT with as much merit as any of the 911 nonsense.
 
If this is part of a state sponsored attack, as the OP suggests, I think we'll soon see what the Chinese military is capable of.

Personally, while the transponder and comms stuff is suspicious, weird stuff can happen in the cockpit and doesn't prove terrorism yet. We need to keep investigating before we hatch malicious plots in our heads. The truth will get out soon enough.
 
Using one of Iran's own aircraft poses several problems for Iran:

1) Plausible deniability. Iran may attempt to deny involvement after such an attack, but using their own aircraft may compromise such a claim.
2) U.S. or Israel may keep tabs on Iranian aircraft
3) U.S. or others may have countermeasures built-into Iranian aircraft
4) Iran may not be the state-actor in this plan to deliver a nuke to a Western city. Iran is most likely, but even knowing the plan, who can say for sure? Could be a Putin false-flag operation, for example? Doesn't save the Western city, but it does make identifying the perpetrator that much more difficult.

It seems obvious the hijackers went to great lengths to keep the aircraft intact and its flight path hidden. Hijackers may not have known about the satellite engine reporting, otherwise why go to such lengths to turn off transponders, etc.? What other purpose would one have for stealing a fairly new 777, if not to deliver a nuke by the most effective means possible? Why go to such lengths to protect the aircraft, if one simply wanted another terrorist attack?

Every step of this event seems carefully planned to protect and save that aircraft. Protected and saved for a reason.
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This post isn't in the CT section for several reasons

1) Huge media interest and millions asking "what possible purpose was this hijacking?"
2) General interest of all of us to track this down
3) Political implications of a probable state-actor involved with the hijacking
4) The extreme threat level this scenario playing out.

If facts on the ground contra-indicate this scenario, by all means, move it to CT. Until then, moving it threatens to dismiss the very real possibility. Imagine how one might feel if that 777 is used to nuke a Western city, but this thread was dismissed as a CT theory?

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Plausible deniability? You expect there to be physical evidence left after a nuke goes off sufficient to trace the aircraft's origin?

The problems with moving one's own aircraft around, even if surveilled pale in comparison to swiping one.
 
Let's look at it from Iran's perspective (Red-teaming). They hate the West, they hate Israel. Let's assume they've finally finished their first nuclear weapon (as Israel's been warning us), but it's too large to fit on a missile and they're worried Iron Dome would shoot it down anyway. They are keenly interested in striking the West, who've been persecuting them for years. Every week their nuclear scientists are being killed. They want more influence in the world and what better way than demonstrating their ability to not only develop nukes, but to use them?

Iran's first questions are:

1) Plausible deniability.
. - How to strike without being struck back?
. - Knowing Obama, what uncertainties will keep him leashed?
2) Penetrating defenses
3) Maximizing damage
4) Maximizing worldwide impact (perception and influence)

Iran has few options. Direct military attacks won't work. Iran's recent deployment-probe of ships to U.S. and Israeli shores hasn't worked out so well. Shipping a nuke by container puts the valuable weapon out of their control for too long, risks detection or loss and doesn't optimize damage (optimal damage occurs at a medium elevation above a crowded area. Ship ports are not as crowded as one might think and a detonation buried under piles of containers at the lowest altitude possible doesn't maximize damage.

This has Ahmadinejad's name all over it. Ahmadinejad was a leader in 1979's hostage crisis and he likes this sort of international intrigue. He's loose in the socket since being fired as president of Iran. Ahmadinejad has the experience, connections and ability to carry out such a daring plan and he's just enough a flake to try it. He knows when hostages are an advantage and when they are a liability. Most of all, he knows the difference between an opponent like Reagan and ones like Carter-Obama. He knows Obama ranks the Muslim over the Jew. In a crisis, Ahmadinejad knows Obama will hesitate. That Obama will demand to have proof who detonated the nuke, before he will take action.

Commercial aircraft delivery solves all these problems. It provides plausible deniability. Plausible deniability for the Iranians and plausible deniability for Obama to refuse to act without confirmation of who launched the attack. It forces the West to hesitate long enough for fear of additional Iranian nukes to set in. The only problem is where to get a plane? They can't use one of their own, it would be identified immediately. ...hmmm, where to get a plane?...

Post #7 in this thread explains why Iran can't use their own planes.

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