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Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348, W:350]

re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348]

PW4000 said:
It is not a dodge, it is precisely what you have done and precisely what the record in this thread indicates. How the heck can the OP re-direct his own thread? You make no sense when you type. Clear the cobwebs from your brain before you reply. The OP put forth the premise. Thus, the "topic" is the OP, you Einstein.

Geepers! Some of you guys are way out in left field with your continual attempts at nonsequitur gibberish. Just tel me where Flight 93 went and then SHOW ME the debris that is COMMENSURATE with a Boeing 757 having crashed into level terrain with its nose below the horizon by 40-degrees and its wings upside down. Can you show me that physical evidence, please? Or, do you prefer to respond with: Stop changing the topic. Or, this guy is insane. Or, I don't have to respond to such a ridiculous question. Or, any number of nonsequitur replies that make no sense at all?
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Redirect, dodge, then bury it all in a mountain of **** so you don't have to live up to your stupid comment. To recap:

505 said:
Now he's some "super expert" that's flown every type of plane ever built, yet somehow can't comprehend that slow moving crash landings where the pilot was trying to save lives will look different than a suicidal jihadist smashing a plane nose first straight into the ground at high speed.
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To which you replied:

PW4000 said:
The utter and shear stupidity of that comment is beyond telling. The evidence is obviously not something you've bothered to research. Flight 93, according to the FDR, anything but "slow moving."
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Then, instead of just admitting that you misunderstood, you hope that babbling on and on while changing the subject will keep people from seeing that you completely misunderstood the point that was being made.

Why do you truthers never just admit you made a mistake and then move on? I'll happily drop it if you just own up to it.

In other words... You keep posting pics of crashes where the pilot was trying to save lives, then asking why didn't Shanksville look like that. Seemingly oblivious to the fact that it smashed nose first into the ground at a high rate of speed. The 2 situations are not comparable and thus should not be expected to look the same. The question is why are you doing this? Are you purposely lying/trolling, or are you genuinely wondering why one does not look like the other?
 
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beefheart said:
Where is your proof that Radar was jammed?
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Who told you that radar was jammed? Is that what you learned in the movies? Is that where you obtained your education on this subject?

Do you know how TCAS works? Do you know what drives TCAS on-board a Boeing 757? Do you know how TCAN works? Do you understand the differences between the two? Do you know how an F-15 or an F-16 targets air-air?

Your questions tell me that you don't know much about the "weapons used" in 911. I told you a long time ago in this thread that EVERY weapon leaves a Weapons Signature, no matter how hard they try to hide it.

Now, who would know that?


Quag said:
8 miles, by road, or as the crow flies?
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This is another red herring that you picked up from the net, instead of grabbing a map or a sectional and doing the math yourself. Between 1-3 miles to Indian Lake, given which part of Indian Lake you are referring to. Between 7-8 miles to Ne Baltimore. All of them are straight line measurements that you should have been able to figure out for yourself.

But, regardless the distance. Whether 1 mile statue direct or 8 miles, nobody but Blind Believers would expect debris to original from the ground in Shanksville, elevate itself into the air on a magic pillar of pixie dust and fly itself across the landscape to arrive at such ridiculous distances away from ground zero. Only someone willing to believe a bald face lie, would be so inclined to intellectually sooth themselves with such hyperbolic nonsense.

Are you one of them? Are you part of the problem, here? I can smell you from a mile away. But, I cannot fathom debris from Flight 93, using its own navigational system to find its way into New Baltimore airspace.


Quag said:
What was the nature of these crash pieces "8 MILES AWAY!!!" what were they? Got pictures? Valid pictures?
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It DOES NOT MATTER what they were. ANY fragment or ANY piece from Flight 93, should have NEVER ended up on New Baltimore. It is too damn far away and all the idiotic pontificating about such things is pointless. You are talking about an EIGHT (8) MILE journey. Flight 93, was NOT Mount St. Helens, for crying out loud!

You are grasping at thin air and you know it.


Quag said:
I'm waiting to hear your fanciful fables on this.
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Eight (8) Mile journey's of debris from Flight 93, is just about as fanciful a fable as you are going to get.

Again, HOW did debris from Flight 93, end up in New Baltimore some EIGHT (8) MILES away, without violating the laws of physics and without setting entirely new precedent in Meteorology, to the point of absolute absurdity?
 
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505 said:
"THERE'S NO WRECKAGE!!! CONSPIRACY!!!"

2 posts later...

"THEY FOUND WRECKAGE 8 MILES AWAY!!! CONSPIRACY!!!"


Haha.
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What a moron. You can't read "No debris consistent and commensurate with a Boeing 757 having crash into flat terrain at a 40-degree angle nose below the horizon and inverted?" It has been typed into this thread about 1 million times. Are you that thick?

Really? No wonder you see a crash site on Shanksville, that makes sense to you - it is because you have no brains and you cannot think for yourself. You can't even read a thread without repeating the same idiotic questions that have been asked and answered a thousand times before - before you asked them - and inside this same thread!

Yet, you guys actually think that by hurling insults at me, you are somehow in the know and looking good?

Keep it up. I love it when you squirm like this. It is painfully obvious to anyone having paid attention that you cannot deal with the subject matter.
 
re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348]

Where are the moderators with this troll's endless tirade of abuse?
 
re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348]

PW4000 said:
You mean to declare here and now that the official story of Flight 93 crashing into Shanksville, simply does not exist? That's the logical alternative to your not so well thought out question. The photos and videos taken minutes and seconds after Shanksville was struck, are what tell me that insufficient physical evidence exists, to label the site the place where a Boeing 757 impacted the earth.

Do you have official government released evidence that shows debris from Flight 93, that is also commensurate with a Boeing 757 having crashed in a low angle of attack, high speed dive at negative 40-degrees pitch? Because, if you are withholding such photographic or video evidence, I would say that you are doing the entire country a major disservices.

Now, can you produce such photographic or video evidence? I've produces video and photographic evidence for what a real commercial aircraft should look like after impacting the earth in a similar manner that Flight 93, was alleged to have struck Shanksville. The evidence for that is inside this thread under my UID for your inspection. You can also search the web and locate many other photos that highlight the point.




Do want sworn affidavits from current military and commercial pilots? Do you want them to give up their careers as pilots?

What pilots do you know? The pilots I know look at Shanksville and shake their head in disgust. They look at the Pentagon and they look at the alleged flight data from Flight 77 that the NTSB vouches for and they vomit in disgust. They literally puke their guts out on the darn floor. I've seen pilots get physically angry with the NTSB released flight data from Flight 77, because they know it makes no damn sense according to the official story.

I know military pilots who shake their heads (and keep their mouths closed) on Dick Cheney, receiving inbound telemetry from a "young man" about the alleged Flight 77 tracking back to Arlington, VA, when NOBODY was supposed to have a track on Flight 77. How the heck can you have a track on an inbound target that nobody is supposed to know exists as an airborne threat.

Go do your homework.




Your questions are signs of zero knowledge about what happened on 911.




If the official story is that a Boeing 757 slammed into the ground in Shanksville, and was so fragmented and swallowed up by the soft earth that if left preciously little recovery of components with a high recovery rate AND the FBI reports that the same exact aircraft ALSO dropped off some debris EIGHT (8) MILES away in New Baltimore AND you don't have an explanation for HOW that happened, then you can bet your last Bud that there is ONLY one (1) question that matters - until you find a way to answer it.

In the meantime, I've answered ALL the questions put to me, no matter how dumb they might have been. Shall I go back through the record of this post and RE-post my answers? Or, are you one of those who likes to pretend after the fact that no answer was given? The choice is yours because the record is here for anyone to actually READ.




READ the thread! That question has been asked and answered one thousand times arleady.




BS. You on earth do you get even a one (1) debris field containing aircraft parts from Flight 93 of any kind, when the official story is that Flight 93 made a crater using a 40-dgree nose down pitch while inverted? There is NO law of physics that can explain that level of energy transfer or conservation. You can't get there from Shanksville, with a 40-degree negative dive. Only a genuine neophyte believes such a wet dream is possible for the official story.

So, how did any debris travel outside the primary area of Shanksville, given the incredibly low angle of attack the official story alleges. Can you explain that?


mike2810 said:
Seems radar, dna, etc. pretty much indicates Flight 93 did crash in Shanksville.[/quote\

Asked and answer more than once. Start reading the thread before posting.




If you want to come out of that comma like state you are gleefully in right now, then you can open your eyes and look at the evidence that is Shanksville, and realize that the earth did not open its big mouth and swallow a Boeing 757 whole.

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So what is your answer to the event at Shanksville?

Its a case you believe you have creditable pilots. Well so do I. My source cancels your source.

so again.. We know you believe the official story is wrong.

Then tell is what happened and name our sources.

Bet you will not do it.

As far as my knowledge on 9/11. You can believe what you want. I'll consider the source in which the comment came from.:mrgreen:
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re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348]

beefheart said:
BTW, if you want to see lots of pictures of crash sites with minimal itact wreckage...Examples of plane crashes with minimal intact wreckage - JREF Forum

It is on a forum where conspiracy kooks get routinely reamed, and a great place for debunkers!
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It is a place where the deluded go to sooth themselves in idiot juice. You guys are hopeless. When you compare a crash site, make sure the aircraft are of the same class, type, weight and carried similar kinetics and flight dynamics prior to impact. Otherwise, you can find "evidence" to fit your "theory" at will.

The fact of the matter is that in NONE of those pictures will you find a commercial Boeing 757, having gone down at 40-degrees nose below and inverted into flat terrain AND having its debris found EIGHT (8) MILES AWAY.

Post just one (1) example of that happening in the entire history of commercial aviation and I will buy you your own personal Jet (as long as you keep the price under $5mln)

Now, that's another standing bet that you will NEVER collect on. Any takers?
 
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Quag said:
PW still waiting on an answer here. you have a large hole in your logic and it needs to be plugged.
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Then you are going to be waiting forever if you cannot read the extant record. The question has been answered in multiple places by me in this thread and THEN re-posted multiple times by me in this thread and you STILL sit here pretending instead of coming up with an explanation for WHY debris from Flight 93, ended up in New Baltimore, some EIGHT (8) MILES away.

That's all you guys do here, you pretend. The great blind believing pretenders. That's what you people have become over the years and it is truly sad to watch.
 
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Show us in history where a jet crashed exactly like the 757 did in Shanksville.

So we know you believe the official story is wrong.

What happened then. Provide your take with sources.
 
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PW4000 said:
It DOES NOT MATTER what they were.
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Haha. You say that because you DON'T KNOW what they were. Do you? All this asking for PROOF from us, and not ONCE have you EVER provided any proof for YOUR claims here.

Claim - Plane uses PW4000 engine instead of a JT9D. Won't show pics as proof or back it up in ANY way. Just expects everyone to take his word for it. When shown proof that the plane used a JT9D engine and that the pics actually match THAT engine (like they should), he cuts and runs for 3 years from the thread.

Claim - No plane in Shanksville, debris found 8 miles away. Won't post ANY proof or even detail what TYPE of debris was found 8 miles away. Dodges EVERY legit question asked.

Claim - No plane at the Pentagon. Ignores all photo evidence CLEARLY showing Boeing primer green paint all over the place amongst the wreckage. Dodges EVERY legit question asked.


You're such a troll.
 
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I wonder what al Qaeda means.
 
re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348]

OldWorldOrder said:
Is it something Isaac Asimov made up? Did he make up the folks that admittedly complicity in 9/11, too?
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Did I tell you that? Did I write that? Did I even insinuate that? And, can you produce a solitary word that I wrote that would lead any rational person to conclude that?

You believe in the greatest conspiracy theory since the dawn of the modern age in America, so I know that you are used to making things up that have no bearing in reality.


OldWorldOrder said:
Tell me more.
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You mean about Iran, 1953/1954, which is where all this Middle Eastern mess that then spread throughout Central and South Asia began for the United States and the United Kingdom? Is that what you want a history lesson on today? Are you asking to be educated on this stuff, or are you just being dumb?

Or, better yet - you tell me what happened in Iran, circa 1953/1954, that connects itself directly to our invasion of Afghanistan, circa 2001 and the subsequent invasion of Iraq, circa 2003. Since you know so much about September 11th, 2001, tell me where this mess really began for the United States.

If I had a plug nickle for everyone of you clueless drones that I come across online...
 
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505 said:
Haha. You say that because you DON'T KNOW what they were. Do you? All this asking for PROOF from us, and not ONCE have you EVER provided any proof for YOUR claims here.

Claim - Plane uses PW4000 engine instead of a JT9D. Won't show pics as proof or back it up in ANY way. Just expects everyone to take his word for it. When shown proof that the plane used a JT9D engine and that the pics actually match THAT engine (like they should), he cuts and runs for 3 years from the thread.

Claim - No plane in Shanksville, debris found 8 miles away. Won't post ANY proof or even detail what TYPE of debris was found 8 miles away. Dodges EVERY legit question asked.

Claim - No plane at the Pentagon. Ignores all photo evidence CLEARLY showing Boeing primer green paint all over the place amongst the wreckage. Dodges EVERY legit question asked.


You're such a troll.
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This guy is just playing stupid games. He has no intention of addressing any of our concerns in an adult fashion.
 
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PW4000 said:
Did I tell you that? Did I write that? Did I even insinuate that? And, can you produce a solitary word that I wrote that would lead any rational person to conclude that?
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I'm making fun of you.

You believe in the greatest conspiracy theory since the dawn of the modern age in America, so I know that you are used to making things up that have no bearing in reality.
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That's funny, what forum am I in? What types of forums are 9/11 truthers in?

Oh let me guess: it's a conspiracy involving every non conspiracy theorist webpage owner in the world.

You mean about Iran, 1953/1954, which is where all this Middle Eastern mess that then spread throughout Central and South Asia began for the United States and the United Kingdom? Is that what you want a history lesson on today?
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lol Iran 1953? hahahahahahaha that's cute.

Are you asking to be educated on this stuff, or are you just being dumb?
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Nah, I actually have a master's degree in International Relations. I doubt you're teaching me anything about that. But that's funny: "terrorism started with Operation Ajax". Color me entertained.

Or, better yet - you tell me what happened in Iran, circa 1953/1954, that connects itself directly to our invasion of Afghanistan, circa 2001 and the subsequent invasion of Iraq, circa 2003. Since you know so much about September 11th, 2001, tell me where this mess really began for the United States.
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Not with Mosaddegh. hahahah who told that you?

If I had a plug nickle for everyone of you clueless drones that I come across online...
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You might be able to buy a few books on the subject of fundamentalist Muslim terrorism! Wouldn't that be nice? Alas, not the case. You should find some other way to afford them, though, if you want to talk about it.
 
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Quag said:
Yup bolded pretty much sums up truthers
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Yes, it does. I am for the Truth and when I look at the differential in these photos it makes my stomach turn. Too bad you can produce similar photos at Shanksville, Blind Believer.

These photos go straight to the topic of Crash Site Physics, which was one (1) of my list of issues and questions posted earlier in this thread. It deals specifically with the concept of Energy Transfer and Conservation of Energy. Subjects that Blind Believers have ignored since 2001. The images show you what happens when collisions of a highly inelastic collisions take place and where energy transfer is replete.

You would need an education to understand that - which is why most of you delusional Blind Believers refuse to debate the topic on the technical merits and why you run and hide when I ask you WHAT happened to cause debris from Flight 93, to end up on New Baltimore, EIGHT (8) MILES AWAY. It ALL has to do with highly inelastic collisions and the real science behind them.

But, instead - you want to pretend to be asking relevant questions. Go right ahead and remain ignorant - that's your problem. However, your ignorance of the scientific facts will not place Flight 93, in Shanksville, on the ground - and in any quantity or quality of debris commensurate with such a collision.
 
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PW4000 said:
Yes, it does. I am for the Truth and when I look at the differential in these photos it makes my stomach turn. Too bad you can produce similar photos at Shanksville, Blind Believer.

These photos go straight to the topic of Crash Site Physics, which was one (1) of my list of issues and questions posted earlier in this thread. It deals specifically with the concept of Energy Transfer and Conservation of Energy. Subjects that Blind Believers have ignored since 2001. The images show you what happens when collisions of a highly inelastic collisions take place and where energy transfer is replete.

You would need an education to understand that - which is why most of you delusional Blind Believers refuse to debate the topic on the technical merits and why you run and hide when I ask you WHAT happened to cause debris from Flight 93, to end up on New Baltimore, EIGHT (8) MILES AWAY. It ALL has to do with highly inelastic collisions and the real science behind them.

But, instead - you want to pretend to be asking relevant questions. Go right ahead and remain ignorant - that's your problem. However, your ignorance of the scientific facts will not place Flight 93, in Shanksville, on the ground - and in any quantity or quality of debris commensurate with such a collision.
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and you run and hide when asked for your take on what happened including your sources.

We all know you do not accept the official story. Ok.

So what do you believe happened? Please state your sources to back up whatever you post.

So educate us.:mrgreen: Explain Shanksville for us.
 
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beefheart said:
I think you need to call us more names, because that really helps make you look sane...NOT!
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Stop lying. The record is clear. Did you not see the very first arrogant and insensitive post made by your team in this thread? If not, try actually going back and READING the record.


beefheart said:
You keep dodging questions, and ducking logic and spinning out of direct questions asked of you. It is hilarious!
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You act as if this is some personal phone conversation where nobody can read the actual record for themselves and realize that you are full of crap when you tell me that I have not answered questions. Half of what I've done here is answer your clueless questions. Yet, I can post a million times for YOU to answer the question of HOW debris got EIGHT (8) MILES into New Baltimore, and you can come back with yet another nonsequitur, proclaiming that I am the one not answering your questions.

I've just re-posted several of my previous answers to your ridiculous questions and yet you STILL sit here pretending.


beefheart said:
You are being intellectually dishonest by posting pictures of crashes that didn't go straight in, and trying to compare apples to oranges.
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And, you are basically a talking parrot, repeating my complaints about you clown back to me. The problem with what you are doing is that there is a record and that record shows you to be a liar. The record is this thread - go read it.


beefheart said:
Where is your proof that radar was jammed?
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For the second (2nd) time - WHO told you the radar was jammed? I've already written on this matter, yet you are asking me the same question again? What kind of idiot does that exactly?


beefheart said:
Where is your proof that Miller was told by the feds to change his story?
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Did I mention Miller in that context? No. You just made it up out of whole cloth, and you have the audacity to talk about someone else being intellectual dishonest? Intellectual dishonesty is being asked repeatedly in broad daylight to come up with an explanation for HOW and WHY debris from Flight 93, ended up in New Baltimore and failing to EVER given an explanation that does not defy common sense or physics.


beefheart said:
Is your 8 mile assertion as the crow flies or via the road?
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Asked and answered inside this thread by me FIVE (5) TIMES already. If you cannot read English, are unable to read English, are unwilling to read plain English, are just to flipped out in your head to read plain English, then I would suggest getting off the forums where dialectic conversation is had, and getting yourself into a good Hooked On Phonic course.

I simply cannot hold your hand anymore, unless you intend to do some reading yourself.

Got it? I hope so.
 
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PW4000 said:
What a moron. ...
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Who?
No aircraft parts? The FDR found in the crater. An engine had to be dug out of the ground. Thousands of aircraft parts over hundreds of feet all over the place ejected on course and all over. Spreading lies about 911 is a waste of time, why do you do it? This is the best of 911 truth, unable to grasp reality of an event, making up lies and failing to produce any evidence.

Your quote mining is failing to produce evidence.
 
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505 said:
Notice his username. He claims that the engines were not the right type for the 9/11 planes, and got embarrassed here years ago with photo evidence that proved him completely wrong. Now he's some "super expert" that's flown every type of plane ever built, yet somehow can't comprehend that slow moving crash landings where the pilot was trying to save lives will look different than a suicidal jihadist smashing a plane nose first straight into the ground at high speed.

Usual truther babble.
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Which lead to my actual reply:


PW4000 said:
Making up stories after the fact to prove a point in the present doesn't serve you or anyone else well. Comments that have no bearing and no link to what I said, or what anyone else said, or what I provided or what anyone else produced, don't equate your having established any truth. If you can produce a link to photo evidence that proved me completely wrong, then that would be a link worth reading, because no one on this forum (or anywhere else for that matter) proved anything I have posted as being incorrect, inaccurate or factually flawed.

So, instead of belting out over-broad commentary with no real connection to facts and then using that as a pivot point for making some ridiculous comment about the messenger - why not provide the link to the actual threads.

The utter and shear stupidity of that comment is beyond telling. The evidence is obviously not something you've bothered to research. Flight 93, according to the FDR, anything but "slow moving." There are no "slow moving" airborne commercial airframes in the near 200,000lb category, approaching the earth with its nose down at a near 40-degree negative angle of attack. So, your entire statement just proves that you don't have a grip on the facts.

Whether a Jihadist or an experienced pilot was in control of the aircraft, any Boeing 757-222 carrying that flight attitude at speeds reported to be true by the "official story," should leave a debris field commensurate with its kinetic energy profile at impact. That is the common sense truth that blind people who can't get over the fact that their government attacked them on September 11th, 2001, can't seem to get beyond.

Furthermore, to demonstrate the absurdity of your commentary, if the aircraft was "slow moving" (which it was clearly not according to the official story) at impact, then the debris field would have by definition been considerably wider and considerably more dense with recoverable material, mainly human remains and high survivability aircraft components. Yet, we see virtually NONE of that with Flight 93.

Shanksville, is the smoking gun - like it or not.
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So, once again, we got little 505 and his childlike renderings of what was actually said on this forum - as he takes posts that were made out of context and does not post the full record. What I just re-posted for you, is the FULL record - which is something refused to post. So, if you believe that I don't understand the subject of Boeing 757s, then you should have posted the FULL reply I gave you, instead of perpetrating a fraud on this board. You should be banned for such things. If you are going to call someone out, the post the FULL reply they gave you and let the chips fall where they may.

You just got caught playing with the FULL record. Care to make that blunder again and destroy what little credibility you have left?
 
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Here's, yet another example of 505's failure to be honest with the full record. He posted this:

505 said:
Yay, another balls-ammo disciple. It wasn't even close to 9+g's bub. I dare you to show the math. Just like how the engines aren't what you claim they are, you are once again wrong. Aren't you sick of getting your *** handed to you on stuff like this yet?

Oh and thanks for the warning on those pics you posted. ****ing real classy to (img) tag those... not to mention that you're using those images to promote your idiotic conspiracy nonsense. Yeah, I'm sure you're really crying and "don't like doing this". :roll:
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I then followed up with this:


PW4000 said:
It is Yeah.

This thread is about Flight 93, not Flight 77. However, regarding Flight 77 exceeding its structural limits, why not review the work done on this particular matter already. This presentation was given by Calum Douglas, on what the NTSB calls the Flight Data Recorder recovered from Flight 77 at the Pentagon. If you do not understand the parameters of a Flight Data Recorder, or how Calum Douglas, derives his values, then I can open up another thread on Flight 77 and answer your question there.

By the way, I was also a Test Pilot. So, I understand this FDR data and I know that it demonstrates that the aircraft modeled within the data cannot possibly have been from the same Boeing 757-200 the government alleges impacted the Pentagon on September 11th, 2001. We can cover the math, the flight physics and the flight envelope questions at your request in another thread. For now, get yourself up to speed on the FDR vouched for by the NTSB and try to get your head around WHY it makes little to no sense at all, given the official story about what hit the Pentagon.



Explain the Redox Reaction seen here and tell me how it is possible for Redox to ensue mere hours after impact. Also, explain why the intake is facing up and buried in the dirt, when the aircraft allegedly punched a hole in the ground with the intakes facing down. How did the engines manage to stop in mid-air, rotate a full 180-degrees while the rest of the aircraft disappeared into the earth and then drill a hole for themselves - backwards?

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This is what an RB211-535 looks like wrecked and fully detached from the engine nacelle:

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This is what an RB211-535 looks like fully intact:

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Please explain the size differential of the intake and forward compressor sections of each engine and explain why the "official" photo above shows a diameter much smaller than the diameter of any photo below it, showing what a real RB211-535 actually looks like?

We don't get a lot of photos of any recovered physical components of Flight 93, but what we do get clearly points to something other than a Boeing 757-222 as being the object that struck the earth in Shanksville, PA. We can do a more in-depth examination of the component parts seen in the first picture above after you have schooled yourself on these simple question - for which there has never been a good answer from the government.

If you were not so completely deluded about what's going on here, I'd actually comment further. People like you don't want to see the real truth behind commercial airline disasters, so you claim that posting such pictures is not "classy."

911, is not classy either. It was very nasty business - and I do mean business, because it lead to the capture of billions of dollars in PSA contracts still flowing out of Iraq, to this very day.

Wake up.
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That was a full blown response to his challenge, letting him know that this thread was not about Flight 77, but answering his question directly and providing him with my source for the review of Flight 77's FDR. Mr. 505, never responded to this and instead went on a childlike rampage throwing "LOLs" and "LMAOs" all over the place, as he knew he could not handle the Flight 77 FDR data analysis that fully answers his lame question.

So, here we are - days later and Mr. 505, is once again proclaiming that something he's asked as not been properly responded to - when the FULL record clearly shows otherwise.

You lied, 505. And, you just got caught doing it. The FULL record does not support your claim.

Stop wasting my time, goofball.
 
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Quag said:
That had nothing to do with what I asked. Congrats you have graduated to the level of HD master at the non answer.
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Really? Shall I go back and RE-POST the full record on you, too? I have no problem doing that. You come in here, throwing around clueless questions on a subject you clearly demonstrate zero knowledge about and then you take a reply that tells you your question was already asked and answered and you pretend as though it responds to the wrong question?

Is that what passes for debate around here these days? I'll pull the full record if you don't! So, you had better get to it and get your lie out in the open, because I KNOW exactly what question you asked and I know that I gave you an answer.
 
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PW4000 said:
For this post, I have gone back through my personal log books and noted each type of aircraft I have ever flown in my life as a pilot. Here is that list of aircraft:

Fixed Wing -

Tiger Grumman AA5B (my very first flight)
Cessna 172
Cessna 152
Cessna 182RG
Cessna T210
Super Decathlon
Citabria 7ECA
Extra 200
North American P-51D Mustang
North American T-6 Texan
Beechcraft T-6 Texan II
Pilatus PC-7
Mooney 201
Cessna Caravan 206
Cessna Caravan 208
Cessna 310
Cessna Conquest 441
Piper PA 28
Piper PA 31
Piper PA 31T
Mooney 201
Beechcraft King Air C90
Beechcraft King Air 200
Beechcraft King Air 350
Cessna Citation CJ1
Cessna Citation CJ2
Cessna Citation CJ4
L-39C
L-39ZA
Alpha Jet A
Alpha Jet E
Learjet 35
Learjet 45xr
Learjet 60
Global Express BD700
Gulfstream GII
Gulfstream GIII
Gulfstream GIV
ERJ 145
CRJ 700
CRJ 800
Boeing 737-300
Boeing 737-500
Boeing 737-800
Boeing 757-200
C5-B Galaxy
Cessna T-37 Tweet
Northrup T-38 Talon
F-15C
F-15E

Rotor - (Not as Pilot In Command)

Bell Jet Ranger 206 (no rotor license)
Eurocopter EC130 (no rotor license)
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Tell us, Mr. pilot. How many of those aircraft you claim to have piloted did you nose dive into the Earth?
 
re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348]

PW4000 said:
Which lead to my actual reply:





So, once again, we got little 505 and his childlike renderings of what was actually said on this forum - as he takes posts that were made out of context and does not post the full record. What I just re-posted for you, is the FULL record - which is something refused to post. So, if you believe that I don't understand the subject of Boeing 757s, then you should have posted the FULL reply I gave you, instead of perpetrating a fraud on this board. You should be banned for such things. If you are going to call someone out, the post the FULL reply they gave you and let the chips fall where they may.

You just got caught playing with the FULL record. Care to make that blunder again and destroy what little credibility you have left?
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:lamo

And he yet again completely misses the point and thinks I was referring to flight 93 as "slow moving". Thick as mud. Even funnier is that he thinks quoting his entire post somehow makes up for that fact.

You completely misunderstood what was said. And you still don't get it. I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
 
re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test [W:348]

NWO_Spook said:
Where are the moderators with this troll's endless tirade of abuse?
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Moderator's Warning:
Do not do this in thread. If you have an issue with a post/posts then you hit the report button and someone on the moderation team will have a look at it.
 
Re: Shanksville: THE Smoking Gun & THE Litmus Test

PW4000 said:
Here's, yet another example of 505's failure to be honest with the full record. He posted this:




I then followed up with this:





That was a full blown response to his challenge, letting him know that this thread was not about Flight 77, but answering his question directly and providing him with my source for the review of Flight 77's FDR. Mr. 505, never responded to this and instead went on a childlike rampage throwing "LOLs" and "LMAOs" all over the place, as he knew he could not handle the Flight 77 FDR data analysis that fully answers his lame question.

So, here we are - days later and Mr. 505, is once again proclaiming that something he's asked as not been properly responded to - when the FULL record clearly shows otherwise.

You lied, 505. And, you just got caught doing it. The FULL record does not support your claim.

Stop wasting my time, goofball.
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To be fair, I did make the mistake of thinking you were talking about flight 77 with the 9 g's thing. When you clarified it, I dropped it since it is off topic for this particular thread. I should have acknowledged the misunderstanding and for THAT I apologize. As for the rest of the post, I will gladly debate flight 77 in a relevant thread.

See truther? That's how it's done. It doesn't kill you to admit a mistake. I won't hold my breath expecting you to EVER do the same on the countless things YOU have misunderstood or gotten wrong. :roll:
 
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Listen up please. There's a topic here and it's not each other. All personal comments directed towards each other are to cease. There will be a zero tolerance going forward for any posts that do not remain strictly on topic. Only warning i'm giving, it's now up to you guys.
 
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