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Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

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Quag said:
No just the WTC there was no plane at the pentagon ask HD he knows sooo sooo much about planes :lamo
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LOL...

I suppose the engine parts, landing gear, etc. were all planted...

What knocked down the light poles?
 
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Lord of Planar said:
LOL...

I suppose the engine parts, landing gear, etc. were all planted...

What knocked down the light poles?
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yup all faked.
It was tactical nukes that took down the light poles.
 
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What I find truly hilarious is that most of these 9/11 truther nutjobs are flaming Bush haters. All you ever heard from them was how big an idiot Bush was, how stupid Bush was, etc, etc, etc. and yet they turn around and claim that he was somehow brilliant enough to pull off one of the biggest, most complex, covert operations that the world has ever seen without anyone finding out he was behind it all.
 
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OscarB63 said:
What I find truly hilarious is that most of these 9/11 truther nutjobs are flaming Bush haters. All you ever heard from them was how big an idiot Bush was, how stupid Bush was, etc, etc, etc. and yet they turn around and claim that he was somehow brilliant enough to pull off one of the biggest, most complex, covert operations that the world has ever seen without anyone finding out he was behind it all.
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my brother in law is like that he is schizophrenic on Bush. Bush is a moron/Bush is an evil genius. He will actually make both claims in the same sentence sometimes :lamo
 
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Henry David said:
Are you familiar with the practice of compartmentalization within the federal government?

Are you familiar with training exercises and the mental outlooks they (accidentally) cause?
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Are you aware of how the government leaks like a sieve? That they can barely keep a secret to save their lives, without somebody leaking it?

Look at Watergate. A nothing burglary, nobody died, and the #3 man in the FBI went to the press.

Iran-Contra, where things happened front-page almost as soon as they happened.

Our history of keeping secrets is pretty piss-poor. And those inside always end up becoming public, with lots of evidence to boot.

Why would this be any different?
 
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OscarB63 said:
What I find truly hilarious is that most of these 9/11 truther nutjobs are flaming Bush haters. All you ever heard from them was how big an idiot Bush was, how stupid Bush was, etc, etc, etc. and yet they turn around and claim that he was somehow brilliant enough to pull off one of the biggest, most complex, covert operations that the world has ever seen without anyone finding out he was behind it all.
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BDS at it's finest. Just like CDS prior to that.

And yes, I laugh just as much at those that try to pin the death of Vince Foster on President Clinton. Or the "birthers" with their conspiracy theories. Or pretty much any conspiracy theory that comes down the pike, no matter who is to blame.

I am a non-partisan skeptic.
 
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Quag said:
my brother in law is like that he is schizophrenic on Bush. Bush is a moron/Bush is an evil genius. He will actually make both claims in the same sentence sometimes :lamo
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George W. Bush is not dumb. Although he was an average student, he has a B.A. from Yale and a Masters degree from Harvard. He was also capable of being trained as a reserve fighter pilot.

The dumb bunny stuff is because he acts copokish at times and it is an overplayed comment without much thought given to it.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
You should have gleaned by now I'm not going to try hard at all. I'm not going to waste countless hours looking stuff up to support what is real. I'll point out a few things here and there, and laugh my derriere off as you guys come up with so called proof.
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But you don't point out anything objective that supports your position.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Are you suggesting these people are all stupid and didn't realize what they participated in, or none of the ones who put the pieces together spoke out?

After all these years... no one with actual information spoke out?

Unbelievable...
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More subjectivity with no basis other than incredulity.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
George W. Bush is not dumb. Although he was an average student, he has a B.A. from Yale and a Masters degree from Harvard. He was also capable of being trained as a reserve fighter pilot.

The dumb bunny stuff is because he acts copokish at times and it is an overplayed comment without much thought given to it.
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You have to admit he cannot be both an evil genius and a total moron at the same time.
 
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Quag said:
You have to admit he cannot be both an evil genius and a total moron at the same time.
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No, he can't be and he definitely is not dumb. The word I meant to use is that he sometimes acts like a cow poke and some people take that for dumb.

Some criminals also play a little dumb or awkward to keep a majority of people, who take most things at face value, from suspecting them. There were a couple of mafia dons who used this tactic for years.

George W. Bush would also not have to be anything but a smiling face to keep people off the trail. He wouldn't have had to plan any of the criminal activity that occurred at the executive level during his administration. There were plenty of others around him, who could have attended to those things. It would have been the positions occupied by Bush and Cheney that would have been used to suppress investigations.
 
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OscarB63 said:
for me, it all comes down to the sheer number of people that would have to be involved in the cover-up if 911 was an "inside job". same with the moon landing hoax nutters. hundreds, if not thousands, of people would have to be involved and every one of them would have to keep the secret.
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Not so:


George Washington's Blog: 9/11: a 7-Man Job
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Yes. So?

OK, I have to hear this. I'm sure truthers debunk this somehow, but this one, I haven't heard yet.

I'm ready.
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For starters let's see the same test with a Boeing and not a fighter jet which is built much more robust, otherwise you're comparing apples and oranges. More later when I get time.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
George W. Bush is not dumb. Although he was an average student, he has a B.A. from Yale and a Masters degree from Harvard. He was also capable of being trained as a reserve fighter pilot.

The dumb bunny stuff is because he acts copokish at times and it is an overplayed comment without much thought given to it.
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And he makes jokes out of people making fun of him. I haven't been active here very long, but to let you all know, I like the man. I only agree with maybe 50% of his positions, but that is better than all presidents since Reagan. I can understand his sense of humor. I forget the word he used now, but it was one of the comedy station years back that made up a word mocking him. So afterwards, he used that same word in a statement, or address to the nation, or something. I have to give him credit for that. Because of my job, I have had an individual make fun of me as a "parts changer." just to spite that a-hole, I since started calling myself a parts changer. I am proud of what I do, and so few people are capable of doing what I do.

Oh...

Now I remember...

The word was Stategery!
 
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shanners said:
For starters let's see the same test with a Boeing and not a fighter jet which is built much more robust, otherwise you're comparing apples and oranges. More later when I get time.
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OK, but also...

Considering ground instead of reinforced concrete, look up the physics of how a "deadblow hammer" works also.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
But you don't point out anything objective that supports your position.
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Maybe because I like to see just how far in the deep end you guy are...

I point out relevant information. I have learned from experience that no matter how much effort I put in, no matter what facts I present, you guys already have your minds made up.

Like I indicated earlier. This is an amusing thread. I'll just laugh my derriere off at you guys...
 
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Quag said:
Your anti-Semitic crap is was and always will be anti-Semitic crap.
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Another one who's in denial.

It is a fact of history that Israel has conducted terrorist attacks against its American and British benefactors, as well as other Jews. Does this in itself prove that that Israel's military/intelligence apparatus was somehow involved in these attacks? No of course not. But it does prove propensity.

Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
 
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shanners said:
Another one who's in denial.

It is a fact of history that Israel has conducted terrorist attacks against its American and British benefactors, as well as other Jews. Does this in itself prove that that Israel's military/intelligence apparatus was somehow involved in these attacks? No of course not. But it does prove propensity.

Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
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Your anti-Semite bias has been repeatedly noted
 
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shanners said:
Another one who's in denial.

It is a fact of history that Israel has conducted terrorist attacks against its American and British benefactors, as well as other Jews. Does this in itself prove that that Israel's military/intelligence apparatus was somehow involved in these attacks? No of course not. But it does prove propensity.

Do you agree or disagree with that statement?
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Since that applies to every military/intelligence apparatus on earth your statement is pointless.
 
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Oozlefinch said:
Are you aware of how the government leaks like a sieve? That they can barely keep a secret to save their lives, without somebody leaking it?

Look at Watergate. A nothing burglary, nobody died, and the #3 man in the FBI went to the press.

Iran-Contra, where things happened front-page almost as soon as they happened.

Our history of keeping secrets is pretty piss-poor. And those inside always end up becoming public, with lots of evidence to boot.

Why would this be any different?
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An excellent point Oozle! And it is the proverbial double-edged sword, cutting both ways.

Yes, many government plans and records, top secret and otherwise classified, HAVE INDEED made it into the public domain. Northwoods, U.S. v. Reynolds, Pentagon Papers and the items you mentioned.

BUT it is equally true that those revelations have also made it certain that government PRACTICES deception and fraud. It may be revealed (or not) eventually, but government does frequently lie and deceive. That is the point.

And as was demonstrated by Jim Garrison in New Orleans with the JFK assassination, once a serious and principled prosecutor begins to investigate certain events, certain critical witnesses suddenly and mysteriously die. That theme has been repeated many many times, in this country and everywhere else.

Several witnesses, or possible witnesses, regarding the events of 11 September have mysteriously died. A pretty long list.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Why do I need to support the obvious?
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Because there is something operating called "illusion", that's why.

What might seem obvious to anybody sometimes is an illusion, a mirage, deliberately created by others.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
OK, but also...

Considering ground instead of reinforced concrete, look up the physics of how a "deadblow hammer" works also.
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How about considering the structural differences between the wall of a nuclear reactor and the walls of the Pentagon, which according to the official story, was penetrated through several sections, leaving a cute little 'exit hole'?

Also, how about considering the structural differences between a supersonic fighter jet and a commercial passenger jet, subsonic?

Also how about considering the different structure and characteristics of Pennsylvania coal country soil to, for example, the Everglades, or to sandy soil?
 
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Henry David said:
How about considering the structural differences between the wall of a nuclear reactor and the walls of the Pentagon, which according to the official story, was penetrated through several sections, leaving a cute little 'exit hole'?

Also, how about considering the structural differences between a supersonic fighter jet and a commercial passenger jet, subsonic?

Also how about considering the different structure and characteristics of Pennsylvania coal country soil to, for example, the Everglades, or to sandy soil?
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If no plane crashed in Pennsylvania. how do explain away the cell phone calls from people on the plane to their families? If the plane never crashed where are all the people who were allegedly on the plane? Are you claiming that "someone" just made all that crap up and the passengers on that flight and their families never existed? or that they are somehow all "in on" the cover up?
 
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Henry David said:
How about considering the structural differences between the wall of a nuclear reactor and the walls of the Pentagon, which according to the official story, was penetrated through several sections, leaving a cute little 'exit hole'?

Also, how about considering the structural differences between a supersonic fighter jet and a commercial passenger jet, subsonic?

Also how about considering the different structure and characteristics of Pennsylvania coal country soil to, for example, the Everglades, or to sandy soil?
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How about you learn what Ground effect is and stop making a fool of yourself?
I know I know that is asking too much.
 
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