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Holocaust Deniers are Really Holocaust Minimizers[W: 471,841]

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vesper said:
I haven't read every post, but enough to know some make me very sad. I guess people deny or refuse to accept things so heinous just so they can cope.
Denial is a great way of having to avoid reality.
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Yes some make me very sad too.

Yeh well what would anyone expect when religious rituals are used for profit?

Yes denial is, except of course when its right here in front of you to deal with head to head with bonafide historical citations.

Then denial does not work so well.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Systematic killing is pretty simple. They wanted the Jews killed and they then went out and killed them in various ways. That is what the Holocaust is. The systematic killing of the Jews (and others if you want to categorize them as well: Gypsies, etc.) This really isn't a difficult concept.
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I would buy into a Jewish ritualistic sacrificial burning of a victim offering to G-D.

But then again that would mean hitler was sacrificing what meant the most to him, and the requirements were that they were in excellent health and authorized by a levite minister.

I suppose you could say that was systematic on a stretch.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Nothing here is actually based on reality. Just holocaust liar propaganda. ONE British paper published said "war"... which was a boycott due to anti-Jewish policies enacted by the Nazi regime since Hitler came to power in January of 1933. See, this is what holocaust liars what you do. You cherry pick ONE comment, ignoring everything else that shows that one comment to be false.
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I await your citations.

If in fact you researched this, since your posts are so skewed with blatant errors, I have no reason what so ever to believe you really did in any depth what so ever since there is so much evidence to the contrary "everywhere".


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But then its impossible to reach blind denial.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You're a White Supremacist/White nationalist/Neo Nazi... you're ilk are all about denial .
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Shouldn''t you be offering a rebuttal to what is being posted instead of engaging in name-calling?
 
Sadling said:
Shouldn''t you be offering a rebuttal to what is being posted instead of engaging in name-calling?
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You guys have only offered lies, distortions and false documents to support your claim, we're at 800 posts now, you're White Nationalist garbage lies in ruins, you guys have nothing.

You guys should stick to Stormfront, it's where you belong.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You guys have only offered lies, distortions and false documents to support your claim, we're at 800 posts now, you're White Nationalist garbage lies in ruins, you guys have nothing.

You guys should stick to Stormfront, it's where you belong.
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Please, this is a debate forum. Someone requested that I provide proof of a claim I made. I have provided it. Now, unless you have something to offer in rebuttal to what has been posted, what is your point?
 
Jetboogieman said:
You guys have only offered lies, distortions and false documents to support your claim, we're at 800 posts now, you're White Nationalist garbage lies in ruins, you guys have nothing.

You guys should stick to Stormfront, it's where you belong.
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what on earth are you talking about??????

This has nothing to do with politics, why bring your politics into it?
 
Jetboogieman said:
You're a White Supremacist/White nationalist/Neo Nazi... you're ilk are all about denial .
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OMG

Cant even post historical documents without people going over the top.

Pretty sad these people cant face the facts.
 
KokomoJojo said:
what on earth are you talking about??????

This has nothing to do with politics, why bring your politics into it?
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Sadling said:
Please, this is a debate forum. Someone requested that I provide proof of a claim I made. I have provided it. Now, unless you have something to offer in rebuttal to what has been posted, what is your point?
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Bull****

I have put a massive amount of effort into examining white nationalism and holocaust denial and I know how you guys think.

You are not capable of rational thought or objectivity, your hatred of Jews supersedes those qualities.

Let me give you a piece of advice, go outside, smell the roses and try to get it through your warped neo-Nazi head that the entire world is not a Jewish Conspiracy trying to rob you of your whiteness.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Bull****

I have put a massive amount of effort into examining white nationalism and holocaust denial and I know how you guys think.

You are not capable of rational thought or objectivity, your hatred of Jews supersedes those qualities.

Let me give you a piece of advice, go outside, smell the roses and try to get it through your warped neo-Nazi head that the entire world is not a Jewish Conspiracy trying to rob you of your whiteness.
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I never expressed ANY hatred of anyone at any time. If you think I have cite it, but you cant because I didnt. You made that hatred **** up.

then you deny pictures taken of the camps and call everyone else in denial?

Whats the problem? Hiding something?

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Why would you deny the reality?


Hell the Jews are even wearing a shirt and tie! [at auschwitz]

WTH is up with that man?

Seriously what are you people trying to hide from us?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Bull****

I have put a massive amount of effort into examining white nationalism and holocaust denial and I know how you guys think.

You are not capable of rational thought or objectivity, your hatred of Jews supersedes those qualities.

Let me give you a piece of advice, go outside, smell the roses and try to get it through your warped neo-Nazi head that the entire world is not a Jewish Conspiracy trying to rob you of your whiteness.
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It appears to me that you are trying to provoke us into a name-calling contest. It's not going to work . . .

But in answer to your claim that I am incapable of rational thought or objectivity, let me remind you that I was asked to support my claim that the mass-gassings did not occur as we have been taught. And so I provided it, here:
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In practice, as opposed to theory, "mass gassings" require huge amounts of poison, because the air acts as a dilutant and filter. The liquid must evaporate and fill the entire chamber to an extremely high concentration, which takes time. To kill 2000 people in 2 minutes would probably require a ton of pure cyanide.

According to pre-Nuremberg technical literature, the active ingredient in Zyklon B was a liquid "absorbed in granular diatomite" (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hydrocyanic Acid", 1943). A single inhalation of pure hydrocyanic acid (60 milligrams) produces near instantaneous unconsciousness followed by death in several minutes. Zyklon B (which the "Holocaust experts" claim was used to gas the Jews), in contrast, was so fantastically weak that to kill clothes moths with Zyklon required 16 grams per cubic meter over a 24-hour exposure. (Source: Document NI-9912, Office of the Chief Counsel for War Crimes, 1947, a translation of directions issued by the Health Institute of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia in Prague.
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If you have something to offer in rebuttal, then let's hear it.
 
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KokomoJojo said:
well once germany was overun they now have freedom of speech which is the freedom to express state views! LMAO
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I have no idea what you are saying... that Germans are being told what to say over here in New Zealand?

So the germans were like real kinkroids and made them strip so they could gas them naked in supposed gas chambers with windows broken down doors LMAO This is getting funny already. Then they made lamp shades from their skin and soap from their fat!

Was this before or after they took a swim?
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I can't tell if you are drunk or just have a wacky manner of thinking that makes little sense.
 
Sadling said:
Please, this is a debate forum. Someone requested that I provide proof of a claim I made. I have provided it. Now, unless you have something to offer in rebuttal to what has been posted, what is your point?
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I asked you a question but you seem to have ignored it...
 
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KokomoJojo said:
I would buy into a Jewish ritualistic sacrificial burning of a victim offering to G-D.

But then again that would mean hitler was sacrificing what meant the most to him, and the requirements were that they were in excellent health and authorized by a levite minister.

I suppose you could say that was systematic on a stretch.
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Are you actually making fun of the people that were murdered? That is pretty ****ed up and you should be banned.
 
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Cut out the personal attacks. There are now two in threads. Consider this one a zero tolerance warning.
 
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Listen to what this guy says about the twenty five hundred people being gassed at the same time at the 1:00 time mark of this video.

Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins)
Holocaust Lies by three brothers (cousins) - YouTube

Now watch this video.

Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB
Robert Faurisson The Problem Of Gas Chambers Le Probleme Des Chambres a Gaz FRA avec ENG SUB - YouTube

When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus.


Here's some more stuff.

Holocaust Revisionism The Truth by Thomas Dalton, PhD
Holocaust Revisionism The Truth by Thomas Dalton, PhD - YouTube

Holocaust Liars. Were the Germans Stupid?
Holocaust Liars. Were the Germans Stupid? - YouTube
 
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KokomoJojo said:
is this claim enough for you?

It seems the real definition of a holocaust was the Jewish practice of burning people.

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You can follow the "citations" and "dispute" them with your own if you have any.

The Jews should rightfully be pissed at how their sacred rituals are being dishonored for profit.

The question is why would hitler offer all those Jews to G-D as a sacrifice if he were not Jewish himself, since Holocaust is not a new word, and in fact is a religious ritual in honor of the Jewish G-D as you can see from pre WW2 documentation.

What happened?

Why were the definitions distorted?

Please respond with citations please, liar liar posts are a waste of readers time.
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Word meanings change.

Especially when events as significant as what came to be called the holocaust take place.
 
KokomoJojo said:
Dont blame me for their disgusting actions.
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Well, there are hate sites all over the internet promulgating this filth, why did you have to repeat the offence?

I just post the historical record if you dont like it, well thats too bad.
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No, you re-posted a dishonest list of quotes that were assembled in order to misrepresent.

I already posted what happened look a couple posts back.
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No, you posted pseudo-historical junk.

Either way its like I said the jews drew first blood to FORCE war on Germany, then declared war against Germany, then cry a river of tears over stubbing their toes.
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Oh, the hyperbole! Do you really believe this crap? These vile attempts to repatriate the reputation of the Nazis are really quite disgusting.
 
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Sadling said:
I think it's about time that you describe the process of the mass-gassings you believe took place. Let's hear how the operation worked. Then we'll see if we can find any holes in your version of things.

Would you care to give it a go?
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You think it's about time? Why? Don't you know? Why are you arguing against the existence of the process if you don't even know? Come on, it's common knowledge, haven't you ever read a book? Why are you attributing the history to me? Why is it my responsibility to educate you free of charge? Why do you waste my time?
 
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The Mark said:
Word meanings change.

Especially when events as significant as what came to be called the holocaust take place.
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Actually I might be wrong, if this is at all correct.
 
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NWO_Spook said:
You think it's about time? Why? Don't you know? Why are you arguing against the existence of the process if you don't even know? Why are you attributing the history to me? Why is it my responsibility to educate you free of charge? Why do you waste my time?
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No, this:
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In practice, as opposed to theory, "mass gassings" require huge amounts of poison, because the air acts as a dilutant and filter. The liquid must evaporate and fill the entire chamber to an extremely high concentration, which takes time. To kill 2000 people in 2 minutes would probably require a ton of pure cyanide.

According to pre-Nuremberg technical literature, the active ingredient in Zyklon B was a liquid "absorbed in granular diatomite" (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hydrocyanic Acid", 1943). A single inhalation of pure hydrocyanic acid (60 milligrams) produces near instantaneous unconsciousness followed by death in several minutes. Zyklon B (which the "Holocaust experts" claim was used to gas the Jews), in contrast, was so fantastically weak that to kill clothes moths with Zyklon required 16 grams per cubic meter over a 24-hour exposure. (Source: Document NI-9912, Office of the Chief Counsel for War Crimes, 1947, a translation of directions issued by the Health Institute of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia in Prague.
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That is what we're discussing. It points to an inconsistency in the mass-gassing process that's been taught to us. Are you here to rebut it?
 
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Sadling said:
No, this:
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In practice, as opposed to theory, "mass gassings" require huge amounts of poison, because the air acts as a dilutant and filter. The liquid must evaporate and fill the entire chamber to an extremely high concentration, which takes time. To kill 2000 people in 2 minutes would probably require a ton of pure cyanide.

According to pre-Nuremberg technical literature, the active ingredient in Zyklon B was a liquid "absorbed in granular diatomite" (Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hydrocyanic Acid", 1943). A single inhalation of pure hydrocyanic acid (60 milligrams) produces near instantaneous unconsciousness followed by death in several minutes. Zyklon B (which the "Holocaust experts" claim was used to gas the Jews), in contrast, was so fantastically weak that to kill clothes moths with Zyklon required 16 grams per cubic meter over a 24-hour exposure. (Source: Document NI-9912, Office of the Chief Counsel for War Crimes, 1947, a translation of directions issued by the Health Institute of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia in Prague.
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That is what we're discussing. It points to an inconsistency in the mass-gassing process that's been taught to us. Are you here to rebut it?
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"TESTA sold Zyklon in different concentrations. Invoices presented to municipal or industrial clients for fumigation of buildings were printed with columns headed C, D, E, and F, each denoting a category of potency and price. As explained in a letter to Osland, strength E was required for the eradication of specially resistant vermin, such as cockroaches, or for gassings in wooden barracks. The "normal" preparation D was used to exterminate lice, mice, or rats in large, well-built structures containing furniture. Human organisms in gas chambers were killed with Zyklon B.

Hilberg notes in a footnote that the same preparation was used for the delousing of clothes.

The agent of mass gassing at Auschwitz-Birkenau was Zyklon-B, hydrogen cyanide (HCN), and a warning agent impregnated into a solid support. According to Kogon the solid support was diatomite and the appearance of Zyklon-B was of gray-blue pellets. In the instructions for the use of Zyklon B, published by its manufacturer, Degesch, three possible solid supports are mentioned: "Wood fibre discs, a reddish brown granular mass (diagriess -- Dia gravel) or small blue cubes (Erco) are used as carriers."

There are also patents for a porous support, a felt support, a Diagriess support, and an ERCO support. Irmscher identifies ERCO as a porous gypsum product.14 Such a description sounds like what is now called drierite.

Hydrogen cyanide (HCN), also known as hydrocyanic acid, prussic acid or Blausäure was the toxic agent in Zyklon B. Strictly speaking, the term hydrogen cyanide should be used for the pure compound and the term hydrocyanic acid reserved for its aqueous solutions, but this convention has been ignored so much that it is pointless to insist upon it. HCN is a high vapor pressure liquid; the Merck index lists its boiling point as 25.6 degrees Celsius (78.8 degrees Fahrenheit), significantly less than human body temperature. At room temperature (25 d C, 77 d F) the equilibrium vapor pressure of HCN is 750 Torr (760 Torr= 1 atmosphere), corresponding to 987,000 ppm. At 0 C (32 F) it is 260 Torr corresponding to 342,000 ppm. 16 The Merck index warns, "Exposure to 150 ppm for 1/2 to 1 hr may endanger life. Death may result from a few min exposure to 300 ppm" Clearly, it is not necessary to reach equilibrium vapor pressure in order for the fumes of the liquid to be quite deadly.

HCN is explosive at 6% (60,000 ppm.); 18 it is not necessary to reach such concentrations in order to murder. In its pure state, HCN is very dangerous to transport or to store; the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) states:


Polymerization: Can occur violently in the presence of heat, alkaline materials, or moisture. Once initiated, polymerization becomes uncontrollable since the reaction is autocatalytic, produce heat and alkalinity (NH3). Confined polymerization can cause a violent explosion. HCN is stabilized with small amounts of acid to prevent polymerization. HCN should not be stored for extended periods unless routine testing confirms product quality.

HCN kills by binding cytochromes, enzymes important in respiration at the cellular level, and preventing them from functioning properly. 20 HCN has a slight odor that has been described as being like almonds. The odor, however, is very difficult to detect and requires training. Zyklon B, accordingly, contained irritants to warn of the presence of HCN. The irritants were designed so that one irritant would be present sooner than the HCN and that another would linger around later.

Zyklon B at Auschwitz-Birkenau was used mainly for two purposes, delousing and murder. The eyewitness testimony to murder by poison is overwhelming. Pressac reconstructs a gassing that took place March 13, 1943:


That same night, 1,492 women, children, and old people, selected from a convoy of 2,000 Jews from the Krakow ghetto, were killed in the new crematorium. Six kilos of Zyklon B were poured into the stacks that opened into the four grillework columns implanted between the pillars that supported the ceiling. Within five minutes, all the victims had succumbed. The aeration (8,000 cu m an hour) and deaeration system (same strength) were then started up and, after 15 to 20 minutes, the atmosphere, which had been practically renewed every three to four minutes, was sufficiently pure so that members of the Sonderkommando could enter the stiflingly hot gas chamber. During this first gassing [in the new Krema II gas chamber], the Sonderkommandos wore gas masks as a precaution. The bodies were untangled and dragged to the goods elevator. Hair was clipped, gold teeth pulled out, wedding rings and jewels removed. "

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/

I hope this is of some help.
 
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