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Economic Crisis Foreseen -- and WW3?

Canell said:
Well, that's all the fuss in this thread about, ain't it? :peace
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Yeah, you're right. I live in FL and in 1998 we had fires that drove us to the oceans shore, scary. Then Y2K was coming, BS. Then it was the hurricanes of 2004-05. I gave up worrying about the end because the world will end for me one day, regardless of the worlds end.
 
grip said:
Yeah, you're right. I live in FL and in 1998 we had fires that drove us to the oceans shore, scary. Then Y2K was coming, BS. Then it was the hurricanes of 2004-05. I gave up worrying about the end because the world will end for me one day, regardless of the worlds end.
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Most "prophecies" I've read about don't claim these events are "the end of the world" or even the Christian End Times anyway. It's "just" another large war and huge natural disaster. They claim life goes on afterwards.
 
German guy said:
Most "prophecies" I've read about don't claim these events are "the end of the world" or even the Christian End Times anyway. It's "just" another large war and huge natural disaster. They claim life goes on afterwards.
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There is the world as the planet, the Universe and the world as civilization. "End of the world" usually refers to the last one. As to the collapse of the Universe, there is quite some time till then.
grip is right - if my world is over (I die) it's the end of the world but just for me. ;)
 
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German guy said:
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IIRC, there are several prophecies (for the sake of brevity, I just say "prophecies", although I mean "verses that people claim are predictions of the future, although they might very well be bogus") that describe that after the "Three Days of Darkness", America would geographically be cut in two pieces and politically into four nations. Similar in England: Scotland and a part of south England become islands no longer connected. On the other side, new land emerges somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean.
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When I was young, I got pretty interested in the Eastern religions for quite some time (about 10 or so years). I read some books by an old Tibetan who predicted that England and the US would one day be a single (not land-mass-wise) sovereign nation). It's always interesting stuff, but I keep my mind open but skeptical. When I was VERY young, I used to read the Cayce stuff alot. Never did really figure out what to make of it.
 
lizzie said:
I read some books by an old Tibetan who predicted that England and the US would one day be a single (not land-mass-wise) sovereign nation).
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But they almost are - it's the modern Roman empire! :lol:
 


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lizzie said:
OMG- not so sure that's a good thing. :lol:
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Many make this comparison, by far not all interested in prophecies and many of them American. The CATO Institute comes to my mind -- in the tradition of good old Cato who lamented the fall of the Republic into an empire. And various other political commentators, who see America's historical example in the old Roman Empire/Republic, at least when it comes to foreign policy. IIRC, Oswald Spengler (the German right-winger who wrote "The Downfall of the Occident" in the 20s) even made a typology of civilizations, claiming republics have to degrade into populist empires eventually. And the political scientist Herfried Münkler admires the "American Empire" as well. So you're in good company! ;)

And when it comes to economic deregulation, free trade and military action, the US and the UK are more or less a single political entity already, aren't they?
 
German guy said:
IIRC, Oswald Spengler (the German right-winger who wrote "The Downfall of the Occident" in the 20s) even made a typology of civilizations, claiming republics have to degrade into populist empires eventually. And the political scientist Herfried Münkler admires the "American Empire" as well. So you're in good company! ;)

And when it comes to economic deregulation, free trade and military action, the US and the UK are more or less a single political entity already, aren't they?
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To the bolded: there's probably something valid to that point. As for the US and the UK, yeah, I can see where that perception would come from. Probably has something to do with our shared history and the revolutionary war. Our forefathers may not have wanted to be under the King's rule, but we still shared many cultural values among the people.
 
lizzie said:
but we still shared many cultural values among the people.
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But don't forget that most Americans have German ancestry. Damn, these Germs are everywhere! :mrgreen: (just kidding, Germans are my favourite European nation). ;)
 
Yeah, I'm one of those damn Germs. :mrgreen:
My German ancestors first came here in 1748, and fought in the revolutionary war. His grandsons fought in the civil war. I think the German immigrants are one of the primary reasons we have been so productive and innovative in our short history.

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After my grandmother died back in around 1992, I was going through some of her old books. She had some old and odd books on various religion/prophecy and related topics. I was taken by surprise, because she never discussed anything out of the ordinary. Based on what the subject matter was in some of them, I think she was pretty keen on stuff like predictions and prophecies. Might be where I got that tendency from.
 
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grip said:
Though I certainly don't rule out that somebody may have visions or prophecies of other origin. I don't believe in many extra natural phenomenon like UFO's, witch's, ghosts, magic but I do believe in a supreme being.
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I think UFO's are at least fairly likely based on historical accounts dating back hundreds of years (at least). There are true witches, although not the commonly accepted perception of what they are. Magic? Tough call. Supreme being? Most likely, or at least there is something outside of normal human sensory perception which affects us in various ways (psychologically and creatively) imo.
 
lizzie said:
Yeah, I'm one of those damn Germs. :mrgreen:
My German ancestors first came here in 1748, and fought in the revolutionary war. His grandsons fought in the civil war. I think the German immigrants are one of the primary reasons we have been so productive and innovative in our short history.

edited to get back on topic :mrgreen:
After my grandmother died back in around 1992, I was going through some of her old books. She had some old and odd books on various religion/prophecy and related topics. I was taken by surprise, because she never discussed anything out of the ordinary. Based on what the subject matter was in some of them, I think she was pretty keen on stuff like predictions and prophecies. Might be where I got that tendency from.
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My grandmother died when I was 14. She had not been into prophecies, as far as I know, but she had often told me about the war, like the story when she escaped westwards from the advancing Russian troops, heading for Dresden with my little baby father. They were one day late, fortunately -- had they arrived one night earlier, they would have gotten right into the bombing of that city.

I also remember studying the old books and maps my grandmother had when I visited her. For example, she had an atlas from 1939. Maps of Europe after Munich and so on.

Maybe that's where my war dreams came from. The first time I had these dreams was shortly after my grandmother had passed.
 
Canell said:
But don't forget that most Americans have German ancestry. Damn, these Germs are everywhere! :mrgreen: (just kidding, Germans are my favourite European nation). ;)
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May I ask which is your nationality? If you don't want to make it public, you can certainly send me a PM, if you like ... or you keep it secret entirely. ;)
 
Never mind, it's not so important. :) Good night (you'll all need it after today's discussion). ;)
 
Canell said:
Like what?
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Anything you claim from a prophesy I'm sure that I could take from mythology or a story.

Canell said:
Frying mankind in a nuclear war?
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You mean like H.G. Wells did in 1914 with his novel, "The World Set Free," which was the first usage of the word "atomic bomb" and inspire Leo Szilard to think about how to actually do it?

Canell said:
Or giant tsunamis flushing civilization?
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You mean like the story of the Deluge which nearly every ancient civilization has a myth about?

Canell said:
Or flying men (aeroplanes)
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Like Hermes with winged sandals that allowed him to fly when he runs?

Canell said:
or TV?
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You mean like the practice of scrying in which sorcerers said they could see things from far away by staring into pools of water?

Canell said:
Remember, many of these predictions were made before such things are even imaginable (see what I've posted before).
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Bull****. The majority of stuff we have today is because people from our past imagined them. The only difference between them and us is that we now have the scientific method that we can use to better make what we imagine and manufacture it into a reality.

We've only had robots in the last half century but the story of Talos is millennia old.

Canell said:
That is, of course, if those prophecies are not fabricated post factum (i.e. after the event) and offered to the general public.
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Or they're people with imaginations, or they're people with mental illness, or they study history and understand eternal recurrence. Which still doesn't make what they say prophesies.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I have read every one of Cayce's books and I truly believe the guy was for real.
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It's been over 30 years since I read any of them, and I don't remember. Did he ever give his thoughts on where his *gift* came from, or what he thought it was?
 
lizzie said:
It's been over 30 years since I read any of them, and I don't remember. Did he ever give his thoughts on where his *gift* came from, or what he thought it was?
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It's probably been 10 years since I read his books and I honestly can't remember. You have me thinking though, I will try to find out.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
It's probably been 10 years since I read his books and I honestly can't remember. You have me thinking though, I will try to find out.
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Thanks! I guess I could stop being lazy and just look it up myself- just thought you might know off-hand, lol.
 
lizzie said:
Thanks! I guess I could stop being lazy and just look it up myself- just thought you might know off-hand, lol.
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When I googled him online, I found a page that said he was raised in a very Christian environment. At the age of 20 or so, he suffered from a laryngitis and could not speak anymore. One therapy included hypnosis and he was soon able to speak when hypnotized. That's when he found he can see the future -- or so he said.

No idea how credible that site is, though.
 
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