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I never said there were those fundies here. But if you talk to a supporter of ID or literal genesis who wants it taught it schools, the mere mention of including another religion causes them to fly off the handle. Several schools got fundies to drop their desire to teach ID/Creationism as science by adding another religion's origin story. They people do not want to give kids all of the stories. They want their beliefs taught as fact.

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Jerry

You are speaking to one such fundie who would love to see ID theories, but not literalist creationism as that is purely religion, in the public science classroom.

Am I rioting?

Who is?

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Oh, you'd be surprised.
I've read an analysis on the situation, and some schools, especially in the south and central part of the states, would stop at nothing to ensure that their students remain faithful christians. Why, even at my school, and this was just a few years ago, we weren't taught the big bang theory. I had to look it up.
In Central U.S., science and reasoning are replaced with religion and moral values. Well, there's nothing wrong with this, it's just another point of view. This is usually due to the fact that these states are less educated, so there's more emphasis on morality and religion. This ultimately leads to board directors wanting students to carry on these moral values. By the way, these states have a tendancy to vote Republican.

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Tucker Case

ID is not science. ID is not a "theory" by any usage of the word "theory". It is the antithesis of good science. Any attempt to teach it as science is on par with teaching astrology as an alternative to astronomy.



If someone wants ID taught in schools, add it into the philosophy section where it belongs. Lay it out by tracking it's history starting by using William Paley's original Divine Watchmaker and Contrivance arguments as laid out decades before Darwin published Origin of Species.

Make that philosphy class an elective, and I'm cool.

Even put it into a history of science class discussing sciecne during the enlightenment period, and I'm cool because Paley is an important Natural Philosopher to discuss when going over the history of science durign that important era.

But his ideas should be taught as philosophy, not accepted science.

That being said, if ID were taught as an elective philosophy course I;d be fine. It's valid as a philosophy the same way utilitarianism is a valid philosophy. Students don't need to believe in it to be taught it's principles.

But it is totally invalid as science.

Jerry

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Please link to a quotation or 2 that you have already read.

Jerry

Yes, yes, I've heard and rejected all that long ago.

Who's rioting?

Tucker Case

Did you see the portion where I said it should be allowed to be taught in school or did you reject that as well?



Who is rioting?

Cephus

But ID theories is just literalist creationism incognito, there is no real difference except ID doesn't tell you where it comes from because it knows it can't get into schools if it does.

Oh wait, because of the Dover case, ID can't get into classrooms either because it's been found out!

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winston53660

This is going to be a real PIA for my area (the Dallas Ft.Worth Metroplex) where classes have already been cut, budget shortfalls to the tune of 64 million in Dallas County schools and tax increases being proposed in several other school systems in the area.

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Slippery Slope

We should teach the story of Jack and the Beanstalk too. Giants are in the bible so they must be true, as well as Geese and clouds... Science should be looking into the whole "golden egg" thing.

ID is not a theory.

ID is not the only Hypthesis available so in fairness you'd have to teach FSM too along with a not-so-distinguished list of other nonsense.

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