bhkad

Trying to draw a false moral equivalence between the Bible and the Koran is futile.

And what Muslims believe is at the heart of the question. It is entirely pertinent to what is going on in terms of our war on terror or foreign policy, our homeland defense, our energy policy decisions, our border policy our immigration policy our presidential politics and explains our divisiveness in this country and here on this very board.

Your attributing Islamic extremism to motivations other than Koranic injunction only helps confuse the issue.

There are criminals all over the world and there have always been and always will be criminals. And what we do is deal with them as random criminals. But when they band together or organize to act in concert, they gain greater power and influence. Organized crime. Like the Mafia. The Mafia exists to generate revenue through illegal activities.

But what if some people banded together to achieve domination of their religious philosophy over all the world? What if there was a book which taught a code of conduct and helped recruit new members of the philosophy and spelled out laws and politics and their way of life? What if this book was distributed the world over and people who had never met would be on the same page and would independently be following the same instructions to use non-violent or violent efforts to achieve the same goal of global domination?

Would that be different from the average extremist? Would that be different from the average concern of law enforcement? Wouldn't that be different from Christianity?

And show me where I've mentioned anything about a coming "religious war". I may have done so inadvertently.

What I say is that we need to come to a national consensus on Islam so we might embrace Islam or reject it or welcome it with certain precautions or understandings.

Right now we have too many people who are making decisions and are lobbying and advocating about our way of dealing with Islam based on too many different understandings on each extreme and everywhere in between.

We need to be on the same page. Don't you agree?

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bhkad

1.5 Billion Muslims on Earth.

300,000,000 are estimated to support extremism and Islamism.

1.2 Billion to use non-violent Jihad.

I'd say that's more than enough.

For comparison, there are only 130,000 US troops in Iraq.

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OBL 11/24/02

John_Gault

America has already embraced Islam...

Freedom of religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the rest of your argument, you would fit right into the Bush Cabinet with that type of short-sightedness. In every circumstance of large groups of people being motivated to the point of extremism there existed the type of social environment that we see now in the middle east. Any doctrine (including the Bible as you so helpfully pointed out) can be used as a basis for this.

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John_Gault

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Kernel Sanders

Do you have any idea what that verse means or do you just latch onto it desperately because it has the word "slay" in it? In this verse Muhammad is telling his followers to take up arms against a single specific tribe who had broken agreements with and already attacked Muslims. He is telling his followers to go to war with one single tribe. They happen to be idolaters, and he uses this term to describe them, but religion is not the reason behind it. The verse is not a broad justification of violence against non-believers as even a single minute of research into the sura would tell you. If you want a general guideline for how Muslims should deal with violence, particularly with religious motivations just look to 2:190

Of course you can latch onto a couple of words, put them in a vacuum, and interpret the words instead of their meaning to justify hating others. Then, however, you would be an extremist. Congratulations bhkad, you're everything you hate.

bhkad

Nah, It simply means that I'm recognizing an interpretation that 300,000,000 Muslims recognize.

Furthermore, I'm also recognizing the non-violent acts of Jihad aimed at helping achieve global Islamic dominance.

I say we reach a national consensus so we can all reach the same understandings.

You should like that. Right?

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OBL 11/24/02

bhkad

Do you realize the Qu'ran commands Muslims to rest not until Allah is the sole worshiped God?

Do you recognize that this command is basically a theological mandate of never-ending expansion and dominance... by force if necessary?

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OBL 11/24/02

Kernel Sanders

I must be having deja-vu

bhkad

YouTube - Dionne Warwick Deja Vu 1979

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John_Gault

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