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Mach

New movement? Christians young and old rail against separation of church and state in the U.S. all the time.

Power is the goal of violence in the way you desribe, thus, violence is simply the tool used.

Within the U.S. violence is one of the least efficient tools to gain power except in the black markets (Criminal organizations). Why would christian extremists use violence? In countries without such a substantial law enforcement and intellgence network, violence is a lot more efficient.

This is always about power, and Islamists gain political power by opposing the west. They do it for power in their region. This does not magically give them actualy significant power over the U.S., or its citizens.

-Mach

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Bodhisattva

One of the ONLY differences between Islam and Christianity is the fact that we have Separation of Church and State and they don't.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

All religions are harmless, it is the people who practice intolerance who are harmful.

you shouldnt generalize so much, fundamental christians dont cut off heads these days.

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Mach

You're incorrect.

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:

A Christian mob attacked, murdered, and beheaded two Muslim fishermen in September 2006

Aside from the factually incorrect statement you made, the general belief you hold is not valid.

What you're attempting to do is compare violence in a violent nation, compared to the U.S., which, while it has it's share of violence, has moved the human power struggle primarly to free-market capitalism and politics. It is more efficient in the U.S. to wage wars in politics and business, in most cases, so that's where the effort takes place. You can gain much of the power you could gain through violence, but without the risk of losing everthing if you are caught. Not surprising so many church groups are involved in politics, that a great many elections including the last and this upcoming election have religion/politics in the news, etc., they go where the power is to be had.

You can be assured that if those nations are as developed as the U.S. and their government strictly secular, that Islam as a religion will be trimmed of it's more violent parts and/or reasoned away through some new Islamic interpretation (like new testament vs old testament reasoning).

Claiming religion is harmless is the same as claiming that lies are harlmess. It all depends on the lie, and the context Rev., and yes, in general, lies are bad (and unethical). If your accountant lied to you about the books for 6 months and you made really bad errors in judgement because you relied on those lies, would you say the lies were harmless? Seems at odds with reality.

-Mach

Reverend_Hellh0und

did you miss:

"This article or section may be inaccurate or unbalanced in favor of certain viewpoints."



Does the religion exist outside of man? do lies for that matter.... exist outside of man?

these are all concepts developed by man that without said man would be non existant.

Mach

Yes, I agree, but maybe that's one of two of the important differences. Tying the narcotic of religion to political might is just too much power consolidation.

The other being the fact that most people here that comment on how benign Christianity is, and how violent Islam is, are comparing two entirely different cultures. The religion is largely irrelevant when they do this.

-Mach

Mach

So it's incorrect??

Every one of each of our comments comes with that disclaimer, including your claim. So it's moot, and you know that. It wasn't even hard to find that, it took surprising little time. You'd have to absurdly claim that no Christian in any country has comitted acts of brutal violence. And you don't need me to ferret out evidence of that.

Logically as you point out, you would not be able to comment on religion being harmless, without first accepting that it's defined within human culture. Since you accept we're discussing religion in the context of human culture, then you do have to accept that religion is harmful in that context.

Again, were the lies your accountant told you, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUSINESS, harmful? Indeed they are.

Just as religion in the context of human society, is harmful, or we can leave it as "may be harmful".. Notice, religion on a deserted island as you point out, is irrelevant because it doesn't exist.

-Mach

Reverend_Hellh0und

Do you even think it is in the same ballpark league what have you as it is in Islamic culture?

This relativis argument excusing the islamic terrorist savages barbarity is a poor one at best.





The good works of many religions far outweigh your absurd gerneralized claim of "religion is harmful". Religions in general do more for the poor, sick, etc than any other group, to portray "religion as harmful" one would have to discount the great contribution these religions have given society.