Special treatment - Page 2

Viv · 05-19-08, 05:02 PM

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Yet it seems that all one needs to do is to claim that it is their religion and it gets a green light and get out of jail free card. Even with such a disgusting claim as "Homosexuality is a sin,Islam is a lie, abortion is murder. Some issues are just black and white!"

Totally agree with this. I don't understand how they get away with obstructing same-sex marriage either, which is discriminating against a sector of society.

The church is archaic and need dragging out of that medieval attitude. If I were gay, I'd sue the church for infringement of civil rights and force a change of law.

But the church is untouchable.

Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.

jfuh · 05-20-08, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Viv

Totally agree with this. I don't understand how they get away with obstructing same-sex marriage either, which is discriminating against a sector of society.

The church is archaic and need dragging out of that medieval attitude. If I were gay, I'd sue the church for infringement of civil rights and force a change of law.

But the church is untouchable.

Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.

Seriously I don't understand how it is that everyone sees the church as untouchable. The laws clearly state that should any church engage into political activism it would immediately loose it's tax exemption. Yet how many do we see of these church's circumnavigating this and going through the loop holes.
It's our religion to be against gay marriage, it's my religion to take drugs, it's my religion to be hateful against those who don't believe as I do.
WTF?

galenrox · 05-21-08, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jfuh

No not at all, read the OP over again. What I'm saying is why do religions get special treatment for doing the very thing that would land anyone else in prison or other forms of punishment.
Hate speech, illegal drugs, ect.

Well you know I think that illegal drugs should not be illegal, and if the churches are getting exemptions from those stupid laws then that's one step closer. It was what you said in the OP about hate speech that I was talking about. As I deduced from the OP you're against this special treatment, meaning you think that there should be legal consequences for saying those things which you stated as constituting hate speech. If anything, once again, it reveals how ridiculous the concept of a legal distinction for "hate speech" is and any exemption is one step closer to the way things should be.

DarkWizard12 · 05-21-08, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jfuh

Seriously I don't understand how it is that everyone sees the church as untouchable. The laws clearly state that should any church engage into political activism it would immediately loose it's tax exemption. Yet how many do we see of these church's circumnavigating this and going through the loop holes.
It's our religion to be against gay marriage, it's my religion to take drugs, it's my religion to be hateful against those who don't believe as I do.
WTF?

1. What churches are doing are not political activism, otherwise they would lose their tax exemption-status. What they are doing is social-activism, which is presumptive that the government takes no stance on social issues.
2. Its CONGRESS shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, not the other way around. Churches can protest at gay-marriage events,(which I whole-heartedly disagree with) at their will as long as the government doesn't fund either group.

BillyBob · 05-21-08, 03:03 PM

Churches are untouchable. Not only does the first amendment stop the government from interferring with them, they have God's backing. And God's backing is greater than that of any man.

Viv · 05-21-08, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

Churches are untouchable. Not only does the first amendment stop the government from interferring with them, they have God's backing. And God's backing is greater than that of any man.

Assuming God exists. I am a liberal and don't believe

That would be ok if the church did not abuse the power it has by excluding and discriminating against some sectors of society. It does though and some of the most narrow-minded people use their belief system to stop society progressing.

jfuh · 05-21-08, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

1. What churches are doing are not political activism, otherwise they would lose their tax exemption-status. What they are doing is social-activism, which is presumptive that the government takes no stance on social issues.

Gay bashing and prohibiting gay marriage? That's a governmental issue unfortunately when the churches asked the state to recognize/certify marriages - intervention.
Stem cell research, abortion, ID theory all church.

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

2. Its CONGRESS shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, not the other way around. Churches can protest at gay-marriage events,(which I whole-heartedly disagree with) at their will as long as the government doesn't fund either group.

I'll repeat what I've said around a million times now on this forum, you can not have freedom of religion unless you have freedom from religion.

jfuh · 05-21-08, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Well you know I think that illegal drugs should not be illegal, and if the churches are getting exemptions from those stupid laws then that's one step closer. It was what you said in the OP about hate speech that I was talking about. As I deduced from the OP you're against this special treatment, meaning you think that there should be legal consequences for saying those things which you stated as constituting hate speech. If anything, once again, it reveals how ridiculous the concept of a legal distinction for "hate speech" is and any exemption is one step closer to the way things should be.

You're deduction is accurate, which is why I titled the thread as it is. Why do religious institutions get special treatment for what otherwise you and I would get busted and imprisoned for? If you're going to exempt one group from the use of narcotics because it's their "religious belief", frack then, I want my LSD's and be closer to my god as well.
Hate speech inapplicable because it's the person's religious belief? Frack that then, imagine if some terrorist supporting group simply claimed it was their religion that they must kill americans?
you can't have the laws bent because of some religious belief.
Either that or I'm just fracking idiotic all these years, I should say I'm a religious organization bingo, tax exemption, free to use illegal substances yada yada yada.
This is not an argument against the merits of these laws (which I agree are dominantly nonsense anyway) but that the law must be equally applied to everyone.

DarkWizard12 · 05-21-08, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jfuh

Gay bashing and prohibiting gay marriage? That's a governmental issue unfortunately when the churches asked the state to recognize/certify marriages - intervention.
Stem cell research, abortion, ID theory all church.

No, those are all individual wants. Churches are mere groups of these individuals that share these common interests.

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I'll repeat what I've said around a million times now on this forum, you can not have freedom of religion unless you have freedom from religion.

What does that have to do with anything?

Dr. L Jon · 05-21-08, 06:19 PM

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So the question begs to be asked, why the privileging double standard?

WHY ARE YOU PERSECUTING RELIGION?

WHY DO YOU DENY THE STARK HORROR?

Because, my friend, religion is the ultimate truth.

And there is only One True TRUE Ultimate ++Truth(TM)

Psyonetiks.

Our lies are new & improved.

Do not speak out against us, as you will be committing a hate crime.

And therefore, sir, hypothetically, as bad as Hitler.

Thank you.

SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF THE COLLECTIVE!