rivrrat

So lemme get this straight... we think it's perfectly acceptable to mutilate the genitalia of our infant boys, but we don't want to give parents the right to help decide the fate of their child's eternal soul?

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Panache

If a parent believes that that 40 days and 40 nights of fasting would be good for their childs eternal soul, should they be allowed to deprive their child of food for 40 days and nights?

Rev.

What straw man? I was giving examples of OTHER choices of treatment a parent might persue on behalf of their sick child. Of the examples given (prayer, homeopathy, diet, herbs) why is PRAYER the only alternative treatment you consider wrong?

Parents make wrong decisions sometimes.

The article SPECULATES what symptoms the girl MIGHT have experienced.

Furthermore, if the girl HAD been making regular well-child trips to the doctor, at her age she was well between visits (well-child checks are not annual after age 5). IF she was active in sports, she needed an updated physical every TWO years. It is totally possible even if her parents had been diligent about making sure she made every recommended appointment that the diabetes would not have been diagnosed.

Obviously, the solution is to legally mandate that all parents seek medical intervention for their child as soon as the child gets the sniffles.

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Hatuey

Ummm getting circumcised is like getting shots. It's hygiene reasons. What LOGICAL reason do you have to justify people forgoing medical treatment in exchange for magical spells?

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Lachean

I am willing to bet RoC finds all form of "alternative medicine" wrong. Superstitions, mysticism and wish thinking WILL NOT HEAL YOU.

You say that as if we're talking about a trivial mistake of some kind.

All kinds of people make wrong decisions, sometimes said decision is so foolish we have legal punishments if you make them.

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rivrrat

It's amusing to me that people in this country think that mutilation of a baby's penis is "just like getting shots". That's quite telling, actually, about how accepting we have become to such mutilation.

What LOGICAL reason do you have for cutting off part of a child's penis?

rivrrat

Actually, it certainly *can*. It's been proven time and again that the body can heal itself, and that positive thinking can and does facilitate that healing. It's been proven time and again that negative thinking can have detrimental physical affects, while positive attitudes have the opposite. It's been proven time and again that we can think ourselves sick as well as think ourselves well.

Arcana XV

Well, that's all well and good, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm not gonna take any chances with my kid's life. On top of the "positive thinking" I'm gonna damn well take her to the doctor when she's showing signs of illness.

But that's just me. I'm very practical like that.

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Ikari

While there isn't any real reason I can see behind circumcision, it doesn't exactly result in death. Nor does it have any real adverse side effects that other forms of actual genitalia mutilation might actually have. I don't think we can properly make analogies between circumcisions and watching your daughter slowly die due to very treatable diabetes.

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Lachean

Actually the foreskin is the ejaculatory trigger, tons of nerve endings, and a great amount of sensation is lost when those nerves are cut away.

Not that a man who's been cut all his life would notice.