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Old 06-28-07, 09:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If any government official denies stem cell research on moral grounds is that not against the concept of church versus state?
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Re: Stem Cell Research vs. Religion

"moral" /= religious
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If any government official denies stem cell research on moral grounds is that not against the concept of church versus state?
Morality does not necessarily have to come from religion, so no it is not. If the offical stated that it went against christian values, then it would be.
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If any government official denies stem cell research on moral grounds is that not against the concept of church versus state?
Another side of this is that, for instance, George Bush is against embryonic stem cell research and we know it is because of his religion, and many of our legislators/leaders make decisions based on their religion every day. Can lawmakers who are religious people be expected not to do that? If possible, would you prohibit them from doing that?
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Can lawmakers who are religious people be expected not to do that?
Yes. Bush was elected by and serves the American people. He serves their needs first, and embryos that he thinks are people second.

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If possible, would you prohibit them from doing that?
Yes, but it is very difficult.

Stem cell research has enormous potential in medicine. The lives it could save are worth more than the embyos used in the research.
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The lives it could save are worth more than the embyos used in the research.
The lives it could save are worth more than the embyos [ LIVES ] used in the research.
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Yes. Bush was elected by and serves the American people. He serves their needs first, and embryos that he thinks are people second.



Yes, but it is very difficult.

Stem cell research has enormous potential in medicine. The lives it could save are worth more than the embyos used in the research.
It would be impossible. People make decisions based on the things they have learned and the things they believe in. And there's no way you could prove whether a legislator is voting based on his religion or not. And, it is not illegal for a person to use his religious beliefs to help him form an opinion or decide how to vote on a particular bill.
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The lives it could save are worth more than the embyos [ LIVES ] used in the research.
The good flavors of beef are worth more than the cows [LIVES] used in the barbecue .

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It would be impossible. People make decisions based on the things they have learned and the things they believe in. And there's no way you could prove whether a legislator is voting based on his religion or not. And, it is not illegal for a person to use his religious beliefs to help him form an opinion or decide how to vote on a particular bill.
Its not impossible. If a legislator admitted to doing it, you could prove it. However, you are correct that for the most part you couldn't prove it. That is why I said it was very difficult.
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Labratories are making headway in articial stem cells so hopefully this moral BS issue will dissapate. Anything God can make we can make better given time.
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Re: Stem Cell Research vs. Religion

I get tired of hearing the separation of church and state argument because this phrase is not in the Constitution.

The First Amendment says:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

It does not say that government officials may not take into account their moral or religious background. It just means that the government cannot make an official religion like our British cousins we were trying to get away from at the time this was written.
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