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    There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Anyone who says there is can shut me up by simply posting where it is in the constitution.


    The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution.
    Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    This is what the constitution does say;
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
    http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am1.html

    This provision was put into the constitution to protect people from governmental intervention in their religion or establishing a state religion. It was not meant to prevent government from having religion in it. So all you Sea Lawyers out there who keep flapping your gums about the Separation of Church and State are all full of crap.
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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Quote Originally Posted by VF500 View Post
    Anyone who says there is can shut me up by simply posting where it is in the constitution.


    The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution.
    Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    This is what the constitution does say;
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
    U.S. Constitution - Amendment 1 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    This provision was put into the constitution to protect people from governmental intervention in their religion or establishing a state religion. It was not meant to prevent government from having religion in it. So all you Sea Lawyers out there who keep flapping your gums about the Separation of Church and State are all full of crap.
    Thomas Jefferson was the first to coin the phrase "Seperation of Church and State." Let me see if I can find the full quote. I believe the full quote sheds some light on the true intention.
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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Gentlemen

    The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

    Th Jefferson
    Jan. 1. 1802
    As you can see, the intent of the First Amendment (and the entire Bill of Rights) was to ensure that the right to freely practice religion would not be relinquished to government legislation. The Bill of Rights was not protection for the government from religion.
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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Thomas Jefferson was the first to coin the phrase "Seperation of Church and State." Let me see if I can find the full quote. I believe the full quote sheds some light on the true intention.
    Here's the quote you're talking about,
    I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law regarding an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
    and here's where it came from.
    Where did the phrase "separation of church and state" originate?
    As you can see, it was only something he put in a letter to calm the fears of the Danbury Conn. Baptist's Association. However, the ACLU and other communist groups have siezed on that statement and perverted its meaning to theirown extemist thinking. It has absolutely no constitutional significance as to keeping religion out of schools or politics. It protects religion from government, not the other way around.

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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    As you can see, the intent of the First Amendment (and the entire Bill of Rights) was to ensure that the right to freely practice religion would not be relinquished to government legislation. The Bill of Rights was not protection for the government from religion.
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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Yet the same people are against adopting Sharia Law...

    Religion controlling the country is ok, as long as it's the right religion?
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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yet the same people are against adopting Sharia Law...

    Religion controlling the country is ok, as long as it's the right religion?
    I see plenty of hypocrisy all around when it comes to the way folks view Christianity and Islam. Those you referenced who don't think thriogh their positions here in regards to separation of church and state are balanced out by those on this forum who do the opposite -- acting as apologists for Islam while focusing on Christianity.
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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    How do you have time to post, I thought you were busy spam mailing the ACLU your message of hate?

    Religion is excluded from law, for good reason. If you have to ask....

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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Thomas Jefferson was the first to coin the phrase "Seperation of Church and State." Let me see if I can find the full quote. I believe the full quote sheds some light on the true intention.
    I find it puzzling how liberals can tell us on one hand that the Declaration of Independence is not law, but on the other hand a letter to the Danbury Baptists is.
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    Re: There's no such thing as "Separation of Church and State"

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I find it puzzling how liberals can tell us on one hand that the Declaration of Independence is not law, but on the other hand a letter to the Danbury Baptists is.
    The letter isn't law. But it does show the intent of a law that was written.
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