Caine

My voting poll location is in a church.
Hundreds of Girl Scouts meetings and Homeowner's Association community meetings are held in churches.

Ziggae_6

But not as a church sponsored function. They are just using the physical structure. Churches rent their facilities for that. I doubt if you or they see voting, girl scout meeting or Homeowners Associations as being spiritual.

Goshin

So why is this so much skin off your nose, Ziggy?

If the pastor, deacons, and members have no problem with it, what business is it of yours?

We've established that apparently a good many Christians don't have an issue with it, and why they don't. You've pointed out that some do. Fine...they don't have to attend that church if they don't like it.

Here I was, thinking "Liberals" were all about living your life the way you wanted, associating with who you wanted, believing whatever, screwing whomever, and being accepting of practically everything.

OH, yeah I forgot...except for anything that might be construed as "conservative". Conservative ideas, activities and people aren't eligible for liberal "love and tolerance", just scorn and derision.

Silly me, what was I thinking.


G.

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Ziggae_6

Well see, when you start saying what you think "liberals" (or those "other" people) are supposed to be like, you tend to envision a characture of beliefs that are inferior to your own opinions.

You and I have both posted here and you haven't defined why you care about the issue. I mentioned some of my reasons, but I'll let you explain yourself first. However, let me save you some time. I'm not against the second amendment and you can go crazy all day with guns. I would just prefer that we don't do it at the same time we're trying to work on our spiritual growth in church which is designed to teach us to value human life (beyond just our "families"). In my opinion, humans need more work in that area. We don't spend enough time on it. But we get plenty of info and promo on guns.

Goshin

I fixed it for ya, since that seems to have been your attitude this whole time.




I haven't? I thought it was clear enough.

You were presenting the apparent notion that Christianity and guns/self-defense were mutually exclusive things. I didn't care for this characterization and considered it inaccurate and annoying. Otherwise, I could care less what those folks are up to.

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The "slippery slope fallacy" does not apply if the slope is greased and you're being pushed.

Luke 22:36 ...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
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Caine

This is the problem.

Why do so many people view guns =crazy.

I tend to think the person controlling the gun should be the one being judged, not the weapon itself.


Maybe Im old school.

EDIT: Speaking of the value of human life. I value human life enough to defend it from someone who is threatening my human life.

I value the life of my family, myself, and my fellow law abiding citizen over the life of some thug wishing to do others harm for personal benefit or due to mental instability.

Ziggae_6

No, Christian church services that celebrate Christ's beliefs and Christian church services that celebrate guns are generally exclusive things. If not, why wouldn't we be talking about all the other (or a large number of) Christian churches doing the same thing?

You can find people who claim to be of every religious denomination who use guns. So what?

Ziggae_6

Saying "go crazy" means do whatever the heck you want. Look, there's a box of donuts. Go crazy with them.

And you're right. The church is about celebrating people and human life. Not objects.

There are different theories about human life. I believe that ALL life is precious and I think you do too. The problem is that we start to believe that one life has more value than others. Human beings do not stop being human because we say so. Humans are humans like dogs are dogs. When a dog misbehaves we don't say he's no longer a dog. He's still a dog. If people act in ways that harms others, they are still people. They are still human and they have life. We value human life.

Sure, we want our love ones to live forever. But we don't control it. The homicidal maniac that you imagine does not exist AS MUCH as behavior that contributes to heart disease and illness--that's most likely to kill us. Or disagreements that end in violence because we forget the humanness of the people we are fighting with.

Goshin

I dunno, "so what" back at ya.

This has become a very tedious debate.

I think it is not wrong for these folks to take one day to affirm that the 2A and self-defense are compatible with Christianity.

You think otherwise.

Keep or carry arms if you wish, or not. Go to this church or some other or none at all, it's a free country. Like it or don't like it.

I'm more intrested in the fact that it is suppertime just now.

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The "slippery slope fallacy" does not apply if the slope is greased and you're being pushed.

Luke 22:36 ...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
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Ziggae_6

Suppertime is good.