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Ohio Christian school tells student to skip prom

This part I found particularly disturbing (like Spanish Inquisitional disturbing):

Oh wow. Wasn't that an argument against the Gutenberg bible and teaching the masses to read?

I understand that he agreed to the rules of a private school and thus is bound, but unless that contract stated that such rules apply outside of school, I really don't see any grounds for suspension. Especially since the kid in question seems like a completely reasonable person.

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Harry Guerrilla

Baptists are some of the most ignorant and intolerant people (not all of them are).

They are everywhere in my area.

What that rule amounts to is complete jack assery.

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Psychoclown

I don't see much to discuss here. As was stated in the original post the kid and his family knew about the rules when they signed him up for the school and they agreed to follow them. The rules for these strict fundamentalist schools are usually clearly outlined and it is usually made clear that they are to apply both at school and in the student's personal life.

Are these rules stupid, unreasonable, and arbitrary with little basis from the Bible these fundamentalists claim to uphold? I certainly think so and because I think so I would never go to such a school or send my children to one. Obviously this kid and/or his parents thought differently when they signed him up and its now a little disengenuous to complain about the rules after they agreed to them.

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Goshin

Gee, thanks bunches, Harry. I'm glad you qualified with "not all".

"Baptist" is not a monolithic denomination. Baptist churches are almost entirely independent of outside control. Therefore, they vary enormously. Some are almost as liberal as Unitarians, others almost as strict as Pentecostals.

(BTW, most Baptists look at Pentecostals/ChurchofGod and think "wow, those guys are way too uptight, they need to chill". )

Conservative Baptist churches typically do have some issues with the popular culture. I think sometimes some of those issues are overblown; others do have some truth to them.

If you consider the lyrics found in many popular songs these days, you might wonder if the Baptists have a point. I think it is a an issue... now throwing out ALL secular music because SOME of it has appalling lyrics is over the top IMHO, but it's not like there isn't some pretty atrocious stuff out there. Rap in particular is known for having lots of lyrics derogatory to women, advocating violence against cops, etc.

Personally, I think this particular case is over-the-top...but then again, the kid or his parents did sign him up for this school, knowing they had a very strict code of behavior.


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Felicity

I'm a convert from "Baptist" and I can tell you that I know this to be true. My particular Baptist experience varied even within the church I attended. Some people were very strict, others were less so. There seemed conflict even within and among the different Sunday school teachers. It was all sort of bubbling under the surface, but all in all, I am thankful for the Biblical familiarity that I got from growing up Baptist, and I'm thankful that there was enough variety within the church I attended to help me to see the broader spectrum of beliefs.

That disunity and lack of authoritative teaching, I think, is part of why I went looking for the answers to my theological questions--and I am graced, I believe, to have found that authoritative unity in my current Church.

It is impossible to make a generalized statement about ALL Baptists--or even all Baptists within a single church.

UtahBill

I was also raised baptist in the 60's in east Texas. Those baptists know all too well what they are AGAINST, but have to ask their preacher what they are FOR, as those subjects are seldom preached over the pulpit.
Lots of christians also are more conversant with the teachings of Paul than those of Christ...

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celticlord

They read the rules, they agreed to the rules, so now they're stuck with the rules.

Too bad, so sad, if he takes his girlfriend dancing he deserves to be suspended--for gross stupidity if nothing else.

Psychoclown

Since we're talking about Baptists now, I have to weigh in again. My dad's family is heavily Baptist and the church I attend comes from a Baptist background though we are non-denominational and have some differences in the way we practice our faith and live our lives.

Many (but not all) Baptists are hung up on legalism. Skirts must be this long, don't listen to that music, ect. Its a MAJOR turnoff to a lot of people, myself included. I feel they go faaaar beyond how the Bible instructs us to live. However, I do admire their convictions and faith. And if those are their convictions, they are certainly welcomed to live by them. Just don't ask me to follow suit. If you can past arguing over their legalistic beliefs, they are usually very kind, giving, genuine people. I've been welcomed into their homes many times, often as a relative stranger. They in many ways embody what a Christian should be. Yes, I will admit they can be judgmental at times, it is probably their biggest shortcoming and some of them can be obnoxious about it.

I suppose in short I have conflicting feelings about these fundamentalist evangelical groups. I disagree with where the convictions lie, but admire their willingness to be so different and endure a certain degree of mockery in the pursuit of a righteous lifestyle. I think they are very kind and generous people for the most part with good intentions. I also think they can be closed minded and judgmental, often giving Christianity a bad name with some of their more extreme antics. When see that sort of stuff I want to reach out, grab them by the neck and say "Christ would never act like you are." I guess it comes down to I certainly recognize the bad in them, but have to acknowledge the good as well.

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Arch Enemy

I don't think I would mind getting suspended from that hell hole. Is it not ironic that by giving the kid an ultimatum like that is promoting rebellion? I mean people don't rebel because they see what everyone else is doing (friends, girlfriends, etc) and say "eff that I'm not doing that". Rebellions happen when close relationships start acting together, inspite of the du' jour.


I also find it bastardly that these "Baptists" (I'm from a Southern Baptist Church, yeah we have problems) claim that rock music incites rebellious feelings, what in heaven's name do they think Christianity is? A slave rebellion manual = the bible.

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