Go to Prom and get Suspended?

Vader · 06-02-09, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DeeJayH

2:1 vader does not come back and address that

You lose!

and... YOU FAIL!!!

Zyphlin · 06-02-09, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vader

No contract, agreement, code of conduct, or other such document is enforcible when it seeks to restrain a constituionally garunteed right. This is my main point.

So it has nothing to do with Religion right? So come on Vader, instead of going on a long winded rant about Religion why not address the specifics.

Are you against companies making people sign Non Disclosure Agreements to test new products?

Are you against Non-Complete clauses for people who leave a company and are bound to not do a job of their choosing their next job?

Are you against companies having a code of conduct stating you can't speak negatively about the company in a public fashion while under its employee with risk of termination?

Are you against country clubs requiring specific clothing to be able to be on their golf courses?

Are you against Fraternities and Sororities having Codes of Conduct that if violated can result in their expulsuion from the organization?

Are you against sports organizations like the NFL having Codes of Conduct for doing legal things that can result in suspensions, either temporary or permanently, from the league?

Are you against a scenario where I have people over to my house and I tell them they're not allowed to bring guns into my house, and then I find out they do, and I force them to leave my house?

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The school is punishing the Mr. Frost because he excersized his right to express himself. Going to a dance is an expression of desire to spend time with his girlfriend.

No, they're punishing him for breaking a contract he WILLINGLY ENTERED INTO.

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The school cannot create a code of conduct which restrains him from expressing this desire.

Sure they can. The school can not FORCE him to sign said code of conduct.

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The school and those running it are forcing their religious beliefs on Mr. Frost. When he exercised his rights under the constitution, he was suspended from school.

For them to be "forcing" their religious beliefs on him he would have had to involunteerily chosen to go to that school and sign that code of conduct. That is not the case, he made the choice, they forced nothing.

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The policy in question prevents students from dancing and listening to rock and roll music. This rule is fundementally flawed. The school does not have the right to restrain students from these activities.

You're correct. They do not have hte right to forcefully restrain students from those activites. However, its FULLY in their right as a PRIVATE institution to state that if those people wish to attend said institution they must uphold to the things they signed a contract for, elsewise they'll be expelled.

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This is a constitutional violation. The school is out of line and needs to be delt with.

No, its not.

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The document that defines our country, the Declaration of Independence, states that all Americans are entitled to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

And this man is not denied any of them. At ANY POINT he could choose to leave that school and be free to do anything and everything he wanted that the code he agreed to prohibited. He was not forced to go to that school, there is nothing saying he MUST go to that school, it was his CHOICE. He is not DENIED anything, he is CHOOSING to go to that school in exchange for CHOOSING not to do certain things. At any time he may CHOOSE to do those things but he must recognize he can't go to that school if he does. There is no right in the constitution saying this school MUST allow any student that wishes to go there to go there.

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The Charter School's rules are contrary to this concept and are therefore a violation of the prinicipals on which this country was founded.

This is the only part so far you're not patentedly wrong on, because its an opinion based on the "principles" and not legality.

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What the school is doing is forcing its beliefs on its students.

Again, you wrongfully use the word force. Its NOT. Its stating if people want to go there they must agree to uphold those beliefs. If they don't want to go there, they don't have to do the beliefs. There's no FORCE there.

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Lets talked about forced religion! Was our country not founded on the principals of religious freedom, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and the right to personal liberty?

And here we come to the core of why you didn't answer ANY of my other scenarios...because this isn't about the Constitution to you, its about you wanting to bitch and spread your hateful rhetoric about Religion.

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Originally Posted by Vader

Their rights end where they begin to violate the Constituion.

Why is that so hard for you to believe?

Because you're 100% wrong, that's why. Answer my statements above, or are you just going to go on another bigoted rant about religion?

joko104 · 06-02-09, 09:02 AM

Another raging thread about the inhumanities associated with prom???

I left school at 15 and it wasn't much of schooling before. I don't think they had prom.

There is no difference between a raging religious zealot, anti-religion zealot, gay-rights activist zealot and white supremacy zealot. They are all people who try to claim they are superior by expressing hatred of others with no rational sense of priorities or reality.

If a school tells a student they can't go to prom then that student can't go. What is hard about that?

DeeJayH · 06-02-09, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by joko104

Another raging thread about the inhumanities associated with prom???

I left school at 15 and it wasn't much of schooling before. I don't think they had prom.

There is no difference between a raging religious zealot, anti-religion zealot, gay-rights activist zealot and white supremacy zealot. They are all people who try to claim they are superior by expressing hatred of others with no rational sense of priorities or reality.

If a school tells a student they can't go to prom then that student can't go. What is hard about that?

the penis of the guy who goes to the after prom party

DeeJayH · 06-02-09, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vader

You lose!

and... YOU FAIL!!!

I stand corrected
but trust me, you would have been better off, not coming back

Vader · 06-02-09, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

So it has nothing to do with Religion right? So come on Vader, instead of going on a long winded rant about Religion why not address the specifics.

Are you against companies making people sign Non Disclosure Agreements to test new products?

Are you against Non-Complete clauses for people who leave a company and are bound to not do a job of their choosing their next job?

Are you against companies having a code of conduct stating you can't speak negatively about the company in a public fashion while under its employee with risk of termination?

Are you against country clubs requiring specific clothing to be able to be on their golf courses?

Are you against Fraternities and Sororities having Codes of Conduct that if violated can result in their expulsuion from the organization?

Are you against sports organizations like the NFL having Codes of Conduct for doing legal things that can result in suspensions, either temporary or permanently, from the league?

Are you against a scenario where I have people over to my house and I tell them they're not allowed to bring guns into my house, and then I find out they do, and I force them to leave my house?

No, they're punishing him for breaking a contract he WILLINGLY ENTERED INTO.

Sure they can. The school can not FORCE him to sign said code of conduct.

For them to be "forcing" their religious beliefs on him he would have had to involunteerily chosen to go to that school and sign that code of conduct. That is not the case, he made the choice, they forced nothing.

You're correct. They do not have hte right to forcefully restrain students from those activites. However, its FULLY in their right as a PRIVATE institution to state that if those people wish to attend said institution they must uphold to the things they signed a contract for, elsewise they'll be expelled.

No, its not.

And this man is not denied any of them. At ANY POINT he could choose to leave that school and be free to do anything and everything he wanted that the code he agreed to prohibited. He was not forced to go to that school, there is nothing saying he MUST go to that school, it was his CHOICE. He is not DENIED anything, he is CHOOSING to go to that school in exchange for CHOOSING not to do certain things. At any time he may CHOOSE to do those things but he must recognize he can't go to that school if he does. There is no right in the constitution saying this school MUST allow any student that wishes to go there to go there.

This is the only part so far you're not patentedly wrong on, because its an opinion based on the "principles" and not legality.

Again, you wrongfully use the word force. Its NOT. Its stating if people want to go there they must agree to uphold those beliefs. If they don't want to go there, they don't have to do the beliefs. There's no FORCE there.

And here we come to the core of why you didn't answer ANY of my other scenarios...because this isn't about the Constitution to you, its about you wanting to bitch and spread your hateful rhetoric about Religion.

Because you're 100% wrong, that's why. Answer my statements above, or are you just going to go on another bigoted rant about religion?

Yet more anti-American conservative nonsense.

You conservatives have no problem forcing your beliefs on others. This is your flaw. You fail to see how violating the constitution in the name of your religion is wrong.

This is typical conservative bull****.

You are WRONG. You lack the gonads to admit it.

You and your motely crew of brow-nosing conservative nazism supporters represent one of the major issues with this country.

If you kept your religion to yourself, this issue wouldn't exist.

Also ...

Force is EXACTLY THE RIGHT TERM.

HE did something THIER RELIGION says is wrong. They are punishing him because he offended THEIR MORAL CODE.

Force IS the right word.

You can defend their nazi tactics all you want. You are wrong and so are they.

We all know you're a *former" catholic. You were raised to believe the same nonsensical bull**** that the charter school is spewing. Naturally you would be sympathetic to their nazi tactics.

You sir lack the objectivity to debate this topic.

As does the squad of brown-nosers who seems to be following you.

Zyphlin · 06-02-09, 05:15 PM

Yes yes. Nazi's. Evil right wing scum. Religion is bad. Yadda yadda yadda, we all get your same tired pathetic shtick Vader. Lets try this, one more time. Answer the questions:

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

So it has nothing to do with Religion right? So come on Vader, instead of going on a long winded rant about Religion why not address the specifics.

Are you against companies making people sign Non Disclosure Agreements to test new products?

Are you against Non-Complete clauses for people who leave a company and are bound to not do a job of their choosing their next job?

Are you against companies having a code of conduct stating you can't speak negatively about the company in a public fashion while under its employee with risk of termination?

Are you against country clubs requiring specific clothing to be able to be on their golf courses?

Are you against Fraternities and Sororities having Codes of Conduct that if violated can result in their expulsuion from the organization?

Are you against sports organizations like the NFL having Codes of Conduct for doing legal things that can result in suspensions, either temporary or permanently, from the league?

Are you against a scenario where I have people over to my house and I tell them they're not allowed to bring guns into my house, and then I find out they do, and I force them to leave my house?

Lets see if you're COMPLETELY out of touch with the reality we live in with regards to the constitution you are OR how extremely bigoted towards religion you are. Answer the questions above Vader.

Blackdog · 06-02-09, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

Lets see if you're COMPLETELY out of touch with the reality we live in with regards to the constitution you are OR how extremely bigoted towards religion you are. Answer the questions above Vader.

Why are you even bothering at this point?

The issue has nothing to do with the intelligent questions and issues posted by I, yourself and others. The issue for Vader is religion should be controlled when it does anything that influences anything off church property even if they are members of that religion or church, and agreed to abide by the rules. He feels the government should restrict private entity's like the Boy Scouts, girl scouts, church organizations or any private organization that has requirements for membership.

So the next time a satanist wants to join the Sunday prayer group at the local church, or the next time someone who does not meet the criteria to join the lodge or golf club we can just tell the government our Constitutional rights are being infringed on. We can then take away their right to private property and privacy.

Bodhisattva · 06-02-09, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by joko104

If a school tells a student they can't go to prom then that student can't go. What is hard about that?

Some people don't seem to understand the simplicity of "Personal Responsibility"

Vader · 06-02-09, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by joko104

Another raging thread about the inhumanities associated with prom???

I left school at 15 and it wasn't much of schooling before. I don't think they had prom.

There is no difference between a raging religious zealot, anti-religion zealot, gay-rights activist zealot and white supremacy zealot. They are all people who try to claim they are superior by expressing hatred of others with no rational sense of priorities or reality.

If a school tells a student they can't go to prom then that student can't go. What is hard about that?

That is only true if that school is hosting the prom. Otherwise, the school has no right to intervene in any way.

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joko104 Advisor Join Date: Jan 2009 Last Seen: 01-14-10 03:26 PM Posts: 436 Thanks: 136 Thanked 105 Times in 67 Posts Gender:	Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended? Another raging thread about the inhumanities associated with prom??? I left school at 15 and it wasn't much of schooling before. I don't think they had prom. There is no difference between a raging religious zealot, anti-religion zealot, gay-rights activist zealot and white supremacy zealot. They are all people who try to claim they are superior by expressing hatred of others with no rational sense of priorities or reality. If a school tells a student they can't go to prom then that student can't go. What is hard about that?

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