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Old 05-22-09, 12:28 PM   #161
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well than dont go to that school, and don't send your kids to that school
they CHOICE is yours
I'm not sure a teenage kid has much of a choice but rather their ttheir parents do.
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Old 05-22-09, 12:39 PM   #162
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Re: Go to Prom and get Suspended?

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Schools have no business governing student's private lives. This is unacceptable. Moreover, the student, who is a MINOR, cannot sign a legal binding agreement. He isn't 18 and does not have the legal capacity to contract.
If it is a private institution and it is stipulated in the rules to attend the private institution, then yes they do, period.

If you don't like the rules attend another school.

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The school has no binding agreement. The school is forcing its bull**** religious beliefs on their students. This is unacceptable.
His parents choose the school and he accepted the rules laid out to him.

Sorry but it is pretty cut and dry. It is a religious school and private.

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If the prom was on their property, they MIGHT have a case. It's not. The school has no case and needs to get a foot in their ass.
This is nothing but opinion backed up by no precedent at all.

It is a private school and they can kick him out or suspend him for breaking the rules he agreed to follow to attend that school because it is a private school.

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WRONG.

They CANNOT govern what their students do while not in school. Private or not they do not have the right to do this.
They do, and they did. So you can say "WRONG" all day long and it will not change any of the facts.

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Wrong.

The school is out of line and in need of a lesson in humility. They DO NOT have the authority to punish students for what they do when they are off campus and out of school.
They most certainly do. If he breaks the rules they agreed to. His parents paid to have the child in this private institution. They institution did not force him to attend.

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It's not a school sponsored event -- the school has ZERO authority.
He was suspended, so this is obviously not the case.

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They are out of line and need to be throughly punished for their behavior.
Maybe in the former Soviet Union, ot North Korea but not here.
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Old 05-22-09, 01:02 PM   #163
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If it is a private institution and it is stipulated in the rules to attend the private institution, then yes they do, period.

If you don't like the rules attend another school.
The rules are illegal and UNENFORCIBLE IN A COURT OF LAW.

You are wrong and you need to stiffle.

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His parents choose the school and he accepted the rules laid out to him.
Sorry but it is pretty cut and dry. It is a religious school and private.
Irrelevent.

The school has no right to punish students for what they do off campus. You can be a mouthpiece for the christian zealots in question or you can wake up and come back to reality.

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This is nothing but opinion backed up by no precedent at all.
Actually, it's the law. Children under 18 CANNOT CONTRACT. That is and always has been the law in this country.

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It is a private school and they can kick him out or suspend him for breaking the rules he agreed to follow to attend that school because it is a private school.
Only if he does so at school or at a school-sponsored event. Otherwise, they have no authority. They are subject to a lawsuit and they will be raped by the jury as a result.

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They do, and they did. So you can say "WRONG" all day long and it will not change any of the facts.
They don't and their actions are subject to legal action. Knock off your far right wing nonsense.

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They most certainly do. If he breaks the rules they agreed to. His parents paid to have the child in this private institution. They institution did not force him to attend.
Again -- those rules are NOT IN EFFECT OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL OR SCHOOL SPONSORED ACTIVITIES.

Get that through your head.

The school is wrong and will loose when this goes to trial.


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He was suspended, so this is obviously not the case.
His parents will sue the school and win. The admin-a-nazi who made that call will be out of a job.


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Maybe in the former Soviet Union, ot North Korea but not here.
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Oh shut up. Your far right wing bull**** is not needed here.

You far right nazis need to realize YOUR RELIGION IS NOT THE ****ING LAW. The school is wrong and they are going to take it in the ass for their nazi behavior.

Accept it and move on.
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Old 05-22-09, 01:05 PM   #164
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The rules are illegal and UNENFORCIBLE IN A COURT OF LAW.
What section of the OHRC do thse rules violate?
Why would the school need to go to court to enforce them?
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Old 05-22-09, 01:59 PM   #165
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What section of the OHRC do thse rules violate?
Why would the school need to go to court to enforce them?
A minor CANNOT sign a contract. This is illegal is ALL 50 STATES.

The school has no authority and their bull**** rules lack legal enforceability.

The school is going to take it up their crooked rightwing nazi zealot asses.
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Old 05-22-09, 02:05 PM   #166
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The rules are illegal and UNENFORCIBLE IN A COURT OF LAW.

You are wrong and you need to stiffle.
Why would they need to go to court to enforce the rules? What part of private institution are you not getting?

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Irrelevent.

The school has no right to punish students for what they do off campus. You can be a mouthpiece for the christian zealots in question or you can wake up and come back to reality.
It has nothing at all to do with anything Christian or your own perverse reality. It has to do with simple property rights afforded to everyone. It is a private institution and can enforce reasonable rules that do not infringe on the rights of others to maintain membership, it is simple really.

They could kick him out for spiting in the streets if they wanted to. It is a private institution, not public.

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Actually, it's the law. Children under 18 CANNOT CONTRACT. That is and always has been the law in this country.
This does not apply in any way. It is a private institution, he and his parents agreed to abide by the rules for him to be enrolled in the school. If they did not like the rules they are free to go someplace else.

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Only if he does so at school or at a school-sponsored event. Otherwise, they have no authority. They are subject to a lawsuit and they will be raped by the jury as a result.
No they are not, and will not be. The parents will not be suing anyone for a clear violation of the private schools rules for membership.

It is similar to the Boy Scouts. They did not want to let in gay troop leaders. Being a private organization and no longer receiving government funds they are free to do so.

No precedent exists to back up your position.

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They don't and their actions are subject to legal action. Knock off your far right wing nonsense.
What does property rights and the rights of private institutions have to do with "far right wing nonsense?"

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-- those rules are NOT IN EFFECT OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL OR SCHOOL SPONSORED ACTIVITIES.

Get that through your head.
This has nothing to do with my argument.

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-- The school is wrong and will loose when this goes to trial.
There is no lawsuit? No one is bringing a lawsuit.

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-- His parents will sue the school and win. The admin-a-nazi who made that call will be out of a job.
So now the admin is a Nazi? Over the top don't you think?

As for the non-existent law suit, nothing filed yet.

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Oh shut up. Your far right wing bull**** is not needed here.
Oh my, that is a good argument.

This has nothing to do with anything right or left. It has to do with private property rights.

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You far right nazis need to realize YOUR RELIGION IS NOT THE ****ING LAW.
This has nothing to do with my argument at all.

At this point it is no more than an emo personal attack with no relevance at all.

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The school is wrong and they are going to take it in the ass for their nazi behavior.

Accept it and move on.
They are in the right which is why no law suit from the parents.

It is a private institution, not a publicly funded school. The parents were aware of the rules from the beginning.
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A minor CANNOT sign a contract. This is illegal is ALL 50 STATES.
The school has no authority and their bull**** rules lack legal enforceability.
The school is going to take it up their crooked rightwing nazi zealot asses.
You didnt asnwer my questions:
What section of the OHRC do thse rules violate?
Why would the school need to go to court to enforce them?
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A minor CANNOT sign a contract. This is illegal is ALL 50 STATES.
and yet they do it everyday
some of those contracts are unenforceable, but it happens every day in every state
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He made a pledge when he agreed to join the private institution and he is bound by his agreement. That is unless you feel people should not honor their word?
Private institution or not, contracts are never absolute - and if challenged, ones like this that interfere with one's private life outside of school might be struck down - maybe it can't. We just need somebody to challenge it and for the courts to decide.


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As a private and religious organization they have every right to do so. They do not receive federal funding so they are well within their rights.
They do not have ABSOLUTE rights to do WHATEVER they want though... especially if they receive tax exempt status, especially if people would stand up and challenge this alleged infinite authority people seem to be giving them.


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Controlled or stopped? So much for religious freedom and private property.
Private property?

We are talking about religious institutions exercising their values, but on people when they are not even on their property.

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and yet they do it everyday
some of those contracts are unenforceable, but it happens every day in every state
Which doesn't make it right or legal, not that I think you are saying that, all it takes is one challenge, one ruling to loosen the knot completely.
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