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"Separation of Church and State"

if so why so afraid to say exactly what stuff?? what does the liberal learn fro his fear?

the god the blame on school shooters your making that stuff up

ignoring entropy which puts a dent on eternal life at least an uninterrupted one so that rules out man made eternal life as far as we can tell
 
eternal life sounds great saying a magical sky daddy will give it to you on the conditions you set is made up

the ivy league religious schools( best in world) accept the condition that they must work to make it happen. Do you understand?
 
so what??? people and religion are fallible and have murdered for 1000 reasons over a million years. that does not mean they are to be eliminated. Kindergarten with you.

they don't have to be eliminated but i think it would be better if people stop making up stories to justify themselves
 
they don't have to be eliminated but i think it would be better if people stop making up stories to justify themselves

the desire for eternal life is not made up
 
hindered?? Before Christianity, Roman religion/civilization ruled the world, it was based on military conquest, plunder, rape, slavery. Christianity was based on love they neighbor as thyself. All the great Ivy League universities were religious!! Do you understand?

Another example of Jimmy's near total ignorance of history. Yes, the Ivies did start as religious schools but they all changed within the first 100 years after they opened.
 
Another example of Jimmy's near total ignorance of history. Yes, the Ivies did start as religious schools but they all changed within the first 100 years after they opened.

sort of ruins your little theory-right? that the came out of Christian Europe and as religious institutions led the world in learning and civilization. Without Christianity there was no learning or civilization, just the Roman Empire!!
 
Listing great scientists who believe in a Creator God certainly isn't on your bucket list of things to do. People would never know if you had your druthers.

A small edit to your comment: "Listing great scientists who believed in a Creator God" None of the scientists on your list is alive at this time. One might ask why the creationists can't make a list of presently active scientists who believe in YEC but that would be a waste of time. We know by now that creationists are unable to answer simple questions.
 
where??? commandment is thou shalt not kill

There's no such commandment.

There is a commandment that says "You shall not murder."

However, the Egyptians created that, the Hebrews just borrowed it.

You're ignorant of the fact that the Hebrew language is connotial. Words have both meanings and connotations.

Hebrew had three verbs meaning "to take a life" but each had a different connotation. The verb used for slay connotes taking a life based on authority, for example, David slew Goliath.

The verb "to kill" connotes taking a life through accident or negligence. Had you bothered to read the other commandments, you would know that the punishment for killing was compensating the widow, children or family of the individual killed.

The verb "to murder" connotes taking a life with premeditation, with malice aforethought and for personal profit, gain or benefit and the punishment the Hebrews levied was death.

Serious christians don't read the King Joke Vision, they read the actual Hebrew texts, like the BHS.

so what? how many billions got killed because scientist doctors were too damn stupid to cure disease? See how easily you are defeated?

You're equating virus and bacteria to witchcraft?

How bizarre.

so what??? You are talking about 1000's of years ago. We were Romans who slowly adopted Christianity at a time when people routinely slaughtered each other. Do you understand now??

I understand christians routinely slaughtered anyone who refuse to convert, and more than that, routinely slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe 100% to the mythological belief system created by the Imperial Roman Catholic Church.

You think the 3,000 people killed on 9-11 was an atrocity, and yet christians murdered 42,000 other christians in a single day, because their beliefs were just slightly different than that of the Imperial Roman Catholic Church.

backwards of course. the reason he recognized it was because it became clear it was not going to die out.

That's not why he recognized it, but keep deluding yourself just the same.

??? BS of course. Western Civ. has not supported religion for 100's of years, and people obviously still need a religion or philosophy to give meaning to their lives. Do you understand?

Wrong. Governments have supported religion for the last 1,200 years.

The Greeks and Romans moved away from the silly idea of rule by "divine right" but thanks to christianity, we have rule by "divine right" foisted upon Western Civilization, which barred the creation of democratic republics for centuries.

Is your god so stupid he doesn't understand democracy?

What kind of benevolent being would impose "divine right" on people?

Not only did "divine right" create kingship, it also created the class of greater and lesser nobles who did not love their brothers, rather they brutally lorded over them for centuries.

If your government did not support christianity, then why was school prayer compulsory until the early 1960s?
 
had it not been for atheistic liberals all the school shooters would have had a life long relationship with Jesus. Do you understand?

so um if your god is real how can i stop people from having relationships with jesus?
 
Believing things that are not true because of persuasions to do so by deceivers.

exactly...Now think about Trump's lie about Mexico paying for his Wall and how Trump deceived you. What does that make you, and what does that make Trump?
 
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exactly...Now think about Trump's lie about Mexico paying for his Wall and how Trump deceived you. What does that make you, and what does that make Trump?

Trump did not deceive me. I never believed Mexico would fork over the cash to erect necessary barriers on the border. I voted for Trump because he was genuinely trying to stop the flood of illegals while democrats obviously did not want the trafficking stopped. They may have claimed they wanted to stop the influx of illegals but their actions proved otherwise. If Trump had not forced them to support border barriers they would still be obstructing the barriers while claiming they were for restricting the flow.
 
Trump did not deceive me. I never believed Mexico would fork over the cash to erect necessary barriers on the border. I voted for Trump because he was genuinely trying to stop the flood of illegals while democrats obviously did not want the trafficking stopped. They may have claimed they wanted to stop the influx of illegals but their actions proved otherwise. If Trump had not forced them to support border barriers they would still be obstructing the barriers while claiming they were for restricting the flow.

He may have not deceived you personally, but he sure as heck deceived millions and millions of others when he lied about Mexico paying for his wall. Trump's claim/lie that Mexico would pay for his Wall is the main reason he won the election. Even Trump admits to this. Do you dispute this fact ?
 
Trump did not deceive me. I never believed Mexico would fork over the cash to erect necessary barriers on the border. I voted for Trump because he was genuinely trying to stop the flood of illegals while democrats obviously did not want the trafficking stopped. They may have claimed they wanted to stop the influx of illegals but their actions proved otherwise. If Trump had not forced them to support border barriers they would still be obstructing the barriers while claiming they were for restricting the flow.

must be hard stopping all those people you love like yourself since you're doing it to your savior
 
He may have not deceived you personally, but he sure as heck deceived millions and millions of others when he lied about Mexico paying for his wall. Trump's claim/lie that Mexico would pay for his Wall is the main reason he won the election. Even Trump admits to this. Do you dispute this fact ?

Democrats should not expect Mexico to pay for border barriers just because Trump said they would. Democrats should have enough sense to know we need the barriers and we will have to pay for them.
 
Democrats should not expect Mexico to pay for border barriers just because Trump said they would. Democrats should have enough sense to know we need the barriers and we will have to pay for them.

Please stop deflecting and answer the question I asked you. When you go off on tangents/deflections, you are showing others you are not interested in actual debate.
 
A small edit to your comment: "Listing great scientists who believed in a Creator God" None of the scientists on your list is alive at this time. One might ask why the creationists can't make a list of presently active scientists who believe in YEC but that would be a waste of time. We know by now that creationists are unable to answer simple questions.

There's lists of current scientists who believe. I've seen them but forgot where.

But it would be nuts to think there aren't any. Those who would think that would really be out in left field.
 
There's lists of current scientists who believe. I've seen them but forgot where.

But it would be nuts to think there aren't any. Those who would think that would really be out in left field.

Noting that "scientists" may believe in creation is irrelevant in the debate, what a chemist thinks about physics does not effect nuclear reaction nor a biologists opinion have bearing on geology. There will be no geneticists or geologists who will claim a 6000 yr. old Earth or Adam and Eve proponents in biology. For much the same reasons those who understand the basics on science do not tend to be Christian fundamentalists.
 
There will be no geneticists or geologists who will claim a 6000 yr. old Earth or Adam and Eve proponents in biology. For much the same reasons those who understand the basics on science do not tend to be Christian fundamentalists.

Nonsense.

First, I don't believe Genesis teaches a 6,000 year old earth. A thorough study on the Hebrew word for day (yom) shows it can mean an indefinite period of time.

Second, there are plenty of Christians and scientists who believe in a Creator God.

Finally, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. You might want to read this book to see how tenuous your position is.

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Nonsense.

First, I don't believe Genesis teaches a 6,000 year old earth. A thorough study on the Hebrew word for day (yom) shows it can mean an indefinite period of time.

Second, there are plenty of Christians and scientists who believe in a Creator God.

Finally, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. You might want to read this book to see how tenuous your position is.

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Okay....so you are not a fundamentalist Christian, do not addtress my statement and are not Atheist.

…..neat....
 
Nonsense.

First, I don't believe Genesis teaches a 6,000 year old earth. A thorough study on the Hebrew word for day (yom) shows it can mean an indefinite period of time.

Second, there are plenty of Christians and scientists who believe in a Creator God.

Finally, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. You might want to read this book to see how tenuous your position is.

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Define FAITH - if you can.
 
Serious christians don't read the King Joke Vision, they read the actual Hebrew texts, like the BHS.

who's talking about what serious Christians read?? Do you have any idea what your subject is??
 
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