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    Re: Walking to Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yes, we are. The ones that qualify will be accepted, those that don't will be returned to the US.
    Wait a minute. You will actually vet them? We aren't allowed to do that in the US.

    A much bigger problem is the 3,700 or so who have drown trying to make it from Hillary's Libya to Italy in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Wait a minute. You will actually vet them? We aren't allowed to do that in the US.

    A much bigger problem is the 3,700 or so who have drown trying to make it from Hillary's Libya to Italy in 2016.
    Libya to Italy and it's on Hillary? Yeesh. And why are those drowned refugees a much bigger problem?
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    Re: Walking to Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I don't think you really understand the situation those men are in. Either they can fight for an oppressive dictatorship, fight for ISIS, or fight for one of many (losing) rebel groups (Al Qaeda, Al-Nursa, Free Syrian Army, etc.) and they are all fighting each other. It is not a clear cut battle of just defending your land, unless you are an Iraqi Kurd. Who would you fight for, the guy who killed your family, an extremist militant army who wants to throw your country back to the stone age, or Al-Qaeda?
    I know that these things are very difficult for those involved, but we in US have been through it before too, when were absolutely isolated and you had to choose. The reason the Middle East is such a mess to begin with is because responsible people have just rolled over hoods because it wasn't their problem. We had the very same thing in south and central America and they all come running here, so what did they solve? War is where you make it. Where would we have run to in 1775? or 1812, or 1861? or 1917, or 1941? They have to take care of themselves and stop getting others to do it and pay for it for them.
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    Re: Walking to Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I know that these things are very difficult for those involved, but we in US have been through it before too, when were absolutely isolated and you had to choose. The reason the Middle East is such a mess to begin with is because responsible people have just rolled over hoods because it wasn't their problem. We had the very same thing in south and central America and they all come running here, so what did they solve? War is where you make it. Where would we have run to in 1775? or 1812, or 1861? or 1917, or 1941? They have to take care of themselves and stop getting others to do it and pay for it for them.
    Those were much more clear cut, people had reason for being on both sides. In Syria, you just get to pick your brand of extremism, none of which are really fighting for your beliefs nor your country. Believe it or not it is really hard to fight when you do not have anything to fight for. America was the aggressor in 1812 and without French help the revolutionary army (which had a massive problem with deserters) would have been crushed by the British regulars, and many did leave. Who would you support AL-Qaeda or ISIS?
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    Re: Walking to Canada

    The tone of the OP suggests that I am to feel bad about this.

    Clearly I need stuff explained to me.
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    Re: Walking to Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Libya to Italy and it's on Hillary? Yeesh. And why are those drowned refugees a much bigger problem?
    Well, Hillary broke the country, overthrew the government, and left a mess. These people weren't taking the risks 7 years ago.
    And 3,700 is more than 22 or whatever. A lot of lives lost.
    Glad to hear that Canada will vet the refugees and only take the ones they want.

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    Re: Walking to Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Those were much more clear cut, people had reason for being on both sides. In Syria, you just get to pick your brand of extremism, none of which are really fighting for your beliefs nor your country. Believe it or not it is really hard to fight when you do not have anything to fight for. America was the aggressor in 1812 and without French help the revolutionary army (which had a massive problem with deserters) would have been crushed by the British regulars, and many did leave. Who would you support AL-Qaeda or ISIS?
    People always have a reason for being on any side. What you're fighting for is your way of life in your own country. The US declaration of war was about English blockades and impressment. We followed the British into Canada to deal with them. So we defended our territory and trade and protected our citizens in that war.

    Fighting in the Middle East is over territory like all wars, so the question is, who really owns the territory? and who's trying to steal it? You pick your side and you go.
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    Re: Walking to Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    People always have a reason for being on any side. What you're fighting for is your way of life in your own country. The US declaration of war was about English blockades and impressment. We followed the British into Canada to deal with them. So we defended our territory and trade and protected our citizens in that war.

    Fighting in the Middle East is over territory like all wars, so the question is, who really owns the territory? and who's trying to steal it? You pick your side and you go.
    You mean they the impressment that ended before the war even started? Do you forget that we burned your **** to the ground? Think about it this way, it is like asking someone what flavor of piss they would like to drink or they can leave, they choose to leave.
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    Re: Walking to Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Those were much more clear cut, people had reason for being on both sides. In Syria, you just get to pick your brand of extremism, none of which are really fighting for your beliefs nor your country. Believe it or not it is really hard to fight when you do not have anything to fight for. America was the aggressor in 1812 and without French help the revolutionary army (which had a massive problem with deserters) would have been crushed by the British regulars, and many did leave. Who would you support AL-Qaeda or ISIS?
    Like they were at Saratoga, right? Oh wait......the rebels whipped the British without any French aid at all. That's what conviced them that we would win in the first place.

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    Re: Walking to Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Like they were at Saratoga, right? Oh wait......the rebels whipped the British without any French aid at all. That's what conviced them that we would win in the first place.
    The rebels were on the verge of collapse without French help, they outnumbered the British regulars 2:1 yet could not inflict major losses, at least on the scale those kind of numbers should produce. It also did not help they were being led by an incompetent general named George Washington. The general that won Saratoga and one of the rebel's best generals, Benedict Arnold, defected.
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