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15% Foreign Buyers Tax Levied on Home Sales in Vancouver BC

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The rising number of foreign buyers snapping up properties in the Victoria area is sparking debate about bringing Metro Vancouver's 15 per cent tax on foreign buyers to the capital region as well.

About 6.3 per cent of transactions in the Capital Regional District in October involved foreign purchasers, according to the latest figures released by the province yesterday.
Spike in foreign buyers sparks debate about extending 15% tax to Victoria - British Columbia - CBC News

Natives from Vancouver BC are now complaining that they can't afford a home in the city they were born and raised in, due to foreign Chinese investors raising real estate prices.

I first heard about this on a BBC story. Some accusations of racism surfaced after a 15% foreign buyers tax was put in place.

Do you think that the 15% tax is justified, or that the market shouldn't be interfered with?
I believe that selling North American property and companies to the Chinese is a mistake.

Thoughts?
 
Natives from Vancouver BC are now complaining that they can't afford a home in the city they were born and raised in, due to foreign Chinese investors raising real estate prices.

I first heard about this on a BBC story. Some accusations of racism surfaced after a 15% foreign buyers tax was put in place.

Do you think that the 15% tax is justified, or that the market shouldn't be interfered with?
I believe that selling North American property and companies to the Chinese is a mistake.

Thoughts?

Asking a tax on foreigners bringing money to the country is an economic travesty and displays a misunderstanding of what is good economic policy.
 
Natives from Vancouver BC are now complaining that they can't afford a home in the city they were born and raised in, due to foreign Chinese investors raising real estate prices.

I first heard about this on a BBC story. Some accusations of racism surfaced after a 15% foreign buyers tax was put in place.

Do you think that the 15% tax is justified, or that the market shouldn't be interfered with?
I believe that selling North American property and companies to the Chinese is a mistake.

Thoughts?

Raising the price of property to help keep it affordable is something that only a government could come up with. ;)
 
Natives from Vancouver BC are now complaining that they can't afford a home in the city they were born and raised in, due to foreign Chinese investors raising real estate prices.

I first heard about this on a BBC story. Some accusations of racism surfaced after a 15% foreign buyers tax was put in place.

Do you think that the 15% tax is justified, or that the market shouldn't be interfered with?
I believe that selling North American property and companies to the Chinese is a mistake.

Thoughts?

Living in Toronto, I can tell you first hand the havoc Asian money has wrought on the housing markets in both Toronto and Vancouver. Having a real estate neighbor friend, I can provide lots of stories for you - just one example, an Asian couple came to Toronto for the week to buy houses, not a house, but houses, and not moving here, just investing. They purchased, with cash, 6 houses in that week and on the way to the airport they purchased another - no offers on the house yet they paid $100,000 over the asking price. All of these homes from this couple and hundreds like them are being left vacant or are being rented out by absentee landlords who care little about the upkeep of the property. It is simply an investment and a place to park all their cash, lots of it ill gotten cash. In effect, housing in Canada is being used as a vehicle to launder illegally acquired cash.

In Toronto, this past year, sales have increased by 32% over last year and the average price of a detached home is now over $1.3 million and rising. That has risen substantially this past year, since Vancouver has instituted their 15% surcharge on foreign sales. A young Canadian couple, just starting a family, finds it virtually impossible now to find the down payment necessary to qualify for a mortgage and with very little rental housing being built, they are left trying to rent condos at exorbitant costs. And those condos - many new condo buildings in downtown Toronto are upwards of 80% owned by speculators and foreign investors who are renting the units for a quick profit and turnaround or renting them out on AIRBUS with lots of problems for long term tenants.

I fully support what Vancouver is trying to do and I'd support the same in Toronto. I'm all for free enterprise, but this isn't free enterprise - it's a foreign takeover of the housing market and when it crashes, and when interest rates rise it will, innocent people will be greatly harmed.
 
Living in Toronto, I can tell you first hand the havoc Asian money has wrought on the housing markets in both Toronto and Vancouver. Having a real estate neighbor friend, I can provide lots of stories for you - just one example, an Asian couple came to Toronto for the week to buy houses, not a house, but houses, and not moving here, just investing. They purchased, with cash, 6 houses in that week and on the way to the airport they purchased another - no offers on the house yet they paid $100,000 over the asking price. All of these homes from this couple and hundreds like them are being left vacant or are being rented out by absentee landlords who care little about the upkeep of the property. It is simply an investment and a place to park all their cash, lots of it ill gotten cash. In effect, housing in Canada is being used as a vehicle to launder illegally acquired cash.

In Toronto, this past year, sales have increased by 32% over last year and the average price of a detached home is now over $1.3 million and rising. That has risen substantially this past year, since Vancouver has instituted their 15% surcharge on foreign sales. A young Canadian couple, just starting a family, finds it virtually impossible now to find the down payment necessary to qualify for a mortgage and with very little rental housing being built, they are left trying to rent condos at exorbitant costs. And those condos - many new condo buildings in downtown Toronto are upwards of 80% owned by speculators and foreign investors who are renting the units for a quick profit and turnaround or renting them out on AIRBUS with lots of problems for long term tenants.

I fully support what Vancouver is trying to do and I'd support the same in Toronto. I'm all for free enterprise, but this isn't free enterprise - it's a foreign takeover of the housing market and when it crashes, and when interest rates rise it will, innocent people will be greatly harmed.

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

It sure seems like there are a lot of sudden undesirable changes occurring all over the world - all at the same time! :shock: What I'd like to know is whether it's US dollars they are getting rid of, or their own currencies? An article I read recently likened this to a roller coaster ride through Hell for a few years until things stabilize, so I guess we'd better buckle up and get ready for more surprises! :eek:
 
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Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

It sure seems like there are a lot of sudden undesirable changes occurring all over the world - all at the same time! :shock: What I'd like to know is whether it's US dollars they are getting rid of, or their own currencies? An article I read recently likened this to a roller coaster ride through Hell for a few years until things stabilize, so I guess we'd better buckle up and get ready for more surprises! :eek:

Good morning Lady P.

It's money from smuggling in and out of China, much of it through Hong Kong, and it needs a place to be laundered so it can be banked and used in the future.

I've often jokingly said that the Chinese government sends all their terrible drivers over to North America to drive us insane so they can then come and take over. This could also be part of the plan. Thankfully, I'll be dead before it comes to pass.
 
Asking a tax on foreigners bringing money to the country is an economic travesty and displays a misunderstanding of what is good economic policy.

I'm interested in your take on CanadaJohn's post.
 
Living in Toronto, I can tell you first hand the havoc Asian money has wrought on the housing markets in both Toronto and Vancouver. Having a real estate neighbor friend, I can provide lots of stories for you - just one example, an Asian couple came to Toronto for the week to buy houses, not a house, but houses, and not moving here, just investing. They purchased, with cash, 6 houses in that week and on the way to the airport they purchased another - no offers on the house yet they paid $100,000 over the asking price. All of these homes from this couple and hundreds like them are being left vacant or are being rented out by absentee landlords who care little about the upkeep of the property. It is simply an investment and a place to park all their cash, lots of it ill gotten cash. In effect, housing in Canada is being used as a vehicle to launder illegally acquired cash.

In Toronto, this past year, sales have increased by 32% over last year and the average price of a detached home is now over $1.3 million and rising. That has risen substantially this past year, since Vancouver has instituted their 15% surcharge on foreign sales. A young Canadian couple, just starting a family, finds it virtually impossible now to find the down payment necessary to qualify for a mortgage and with very little rental housing being built, they are left trying to rent condos at exorbitant costs. And those condos - many new condo buildings in downtown Toronto are upwards of 80% owned by speculators and foreign investors who are renting the units for a quick profit and turnaround or renting them out on AIRBUS with lots of problems for long term tenants.

I fully support what Vancouver is trying to do and I'd support the same in Toronto. I'm all for free enterprise, but this isn't free enterprise - it's a foreign takeover of the housing market and when it crashes, and when interest rates rise it will, innocent people will be greatly harmed.

This is happening all over the world, in London apparently the government cannot even figure out how much of the city is owned by foreign individuals, enterprises and holding firms.

London map of property owned by foreigners - Business Insider

I lived in Vancouver and Toronto for a time and the Feds and Provincial Governments need to step in on this, sooner rather than later to support the municipalities in their effort to stop this crap... But for those who were already in, they're going to get burned something fierce when this bubble bursts... And it's going to be a spectacular burst.

Vancouver's housing-bubble risk unmatched on the planet, says Swiss bank - British Columbia - CBC News
 
This is happening all over the world, in London apparently the government cannot even figure out how much of the city is owned by foreign individuals, enterprises and holding firms.

London map of property owned by foreigners - Business Insider

I lived in Vancouver and Toronto for a time and the Feds and Provincial Governments need to step in on this, sooner rather than later to support the municipalities in their effort to stop this crap... But for those who were already in, they're going to get burned something fierce when this bubble bursts... And it's going to be a spectacular burst.

Vancouver's housing-bubble risk unmatched on the planet, says Swiss bank - British Columbia - CBC News

While interests rates remain historically low, the risk is minimal. However, I fully remember back in the late 1980's when we had a similar housing bubble with prices skyrocketing and then 20% inflation hit and people lost their homes because they couldn't pay the mortgage on renewal and couldn't find buyers for anything approaching what they owed - the housing market crashed dramatically and didn't fully recover until about 10 years ago.

Here in Toronto, with all the taxes rising, carbon taxes coming, electricity costs skyrocketing due to government mismanagement, and governments unwilling to curb their spending, the middle class is getting roasted and they are going to be forced out of the city unless something eases. Worse thing to happen to a great city is for it to become home to only the ultra rich and the poverty stricken poor.
 
It should be substantially higher. And add a tax to make them unprofitable as investments for foreign buyers.
 
Asking a tax on foreigners bringing money to the country is an economic travesty and displays a misunderstanding of what is good economic policy.

Is it good economic policy to price natives from Vancouver out of the market?

There's also been cases where Chinese landlords in Canada have been caught refusing to rent to white Canadians, acting as if they are conducting business in China and not in Canada.

I'd like to see what percentage of housing is owned by the Chinese in Vancouver at this point. I couldn't find any source that would say.
 
Living in Toronto, I can tell you first hand the havoc Asian money has wrought on the housing markets in both Toronto and Vancouver. Having a real estate neighbor friend, I can provide lots of stories for you - just one example, an Asian couple came to Toronto for the week to buy houses, not a house, but houses, and not moving here, just investing. They purchased, with cash, 6 houses in that week and on the way to the airport they purchased another - no offers on the house yet they paid $100,000 over the asking price. All of these homes from this couple and hundreds like them are being left vacant or are being rented out by absentee landlords who care little about the upkeep of the property. It is simply an investment and a place to park all their cash, lots of it ill gotten cash. In effect, housing in Canada is being used as a vehicle to launder illegally acquired cash.

In Toronto, this past year, sales have increased by 32% over last year and the average price of a detached home is now over $1.3 million and rising. That has risen substantially this past year, since Vancouver has instituted their 15% surcharge on foreign sales. A young Canadian couple, just starting a family, finds it virtually impossible now to find the down payment necessary to qualify for a mortgage and with very little rental housing being built, they are left trying to rent condos at exorbitant costs. And those condos - many new condo buildings in downtown Toronto are upwards of 80% owned by speculators and foreign investors who are renting the units for a quick profit and turnaround or renting them out on AIRBUS with lots of problems for long term tenants.

I fully support what Vancouver is trying to do and I'd support the same in Toronto. I'm all for free enterprise, but this isn't free enterprise - it's a foreign takeover of the housing market and when it crashes, and when interest rates rise it will, innocent people will be greatly harmed.

The Chinese game plan of using American investment in China to buy up North American business and real estate is really brilliant on their behalf, and imbecilic on ours.

We're getting all the negatives, i.e. bad/dangerous products, counterfeit products, and drug addiction, while the Chinese are getting our homes and businesses in return. Only a handful of Americans benefit from our trade relations with China, and they are already wealthy.
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Toronto sounds like San Francisco a bit. Natives who aren't making a high 6 figure salary can't afford to live there anymore.

Do you think that the Chinese government is subsidizing all this investment in Canada and the US? I've heard that the government over there is behind large acquisitions of major American and Australian corporations. The Chinese are particularly interested in buying up food supply companies, which the American government should definitely discourage, given China's poor food quality standards.
 
The Chinese game plan of using American investment in China to buy up North American business and real estate is really brilliant on their behalf, and imbecilic on ours.

We're getting all the negatives, i.e. bad/dangerous products, counterfeit products, and drug addiction, while the Chinese are getting our homes and businesses in return. Only a handful of Americans benefit from our trade relations with China, and they are already wealthy.
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Toronto sounds like San Francisco a bit. Natives who aren't making a high 6 figure salary can't afford to live there anymore.

Do you think that the Chinese government is subsidizing all this investment in Canada and the US? I've heard that the government over there is behind large acquisitions of major American and Australian corporations. The Chinese are particularly interested in buying up food supply companies, which the American government should definitely discourage, given China's poor food quality standards.

The Chinese are investing in Canada, particularly in resource development companies, but there are fairly strict conditions on such investment and the level of investment in any one company. The Chinese are buying up resource development all over the world - they practically own Africa.

I don't think the Chinese government as an entity is subsidizing individuals buying real estate in Canada and the US, but there's a lot of corruption in Chinese government ranks and they move those monies out of China and into more friendly environments like ours. There's also a lot of organized crime in Hong Kong and other Asian centers and that money is also being laundered through legitimate businesses and purchases here.

In addition, a lot of Asians are buying properties here so their children have the ability to live and go to school here and perhaps find a way to gain citizenship in the process. I used to laugh when I'd visit relatives in Calgary and drive up to Banff for a day or two. All the street signs in Banff were bilingual - not French/English, like Canada itself - but Chinese/English for all the Chinese tourists and people who bought/ran businesses there. I'm not sure I'm laughing so much anymore.
 
I'm interested in your take on CanadaJohn's post.

I think it is not a good idea to sell everything. Technology is problematic, where patents are not honored and a definite no, where dual use technology is involved.
 
Is it good economic policy to price natives from Vancouver out of the market?

There's also been cases where Chinese landlords in Canada have been caught refusing to rent to white Canadians, acting as if they are conducting business in China and not in Canada.

I'd like to see what percentage of housing is owned by the Chinese in Vancouver at this point. I couldn't find any source that would say.

The Chinese have to adhere to local law.that seems clear. As far as the prices are concerned, build more houses. There is a lot of country in Canada.
 
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