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Canada to legalize pot next spring

polgara said:
Greetings, Grand Mal. :2wave:

They recently tried to legalize it in Ohio, and it failed - mostly because only a few people would have been given the authority to grow and sell it - IOW, your reference to very ugly people getting rich would have been the case. :thumbs: Had it been written that everyone that wanted to could grow their own, most people would probably have voted for it!
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What many Canadians don't know is that is exactly what the Consservatives tried to do, and one of the reasons they are the ex-government. Harper had put regulatory restrictions on who could grow pop, removing self growers from the equation. Every court that faced it, rejected it and the law was killed once and for all a month or so ago.

What was under the table, was that Harper's business buddies were poised to step in with some high volume grow ops.

By keeping the concept of anyone with a diagnosis can grow it without much restriction on how much, we seem to have kept both the illegal gangs and the government gang out of the equation, and kept prices low.
 
Oh, just great. Which drugs kill/damage more people? The legal ones, and now there will be another legal drug. Anyone who thinks that marijuana is a completely harmless drug is a fool. It's ok folks, just smoke/injest your little hearts out, no harm here. Still, like I said before, only weak, and I will add stupid, people take drugs. There is a perception in most of the community that alcohol is harmless because, well it wouldn't be legal if it wasn't would it. Now the same attitude will apply to marijuana. It is not a harmless drug. I have often wondered, completely unscientifically of course and my own thoughts (so please don't start posting studies and carrying on screaming about the suggestion...tis my own thoughts on the matter) if the rise in autism in the Western world and the increase in Bipolar etc. is linked to increasing marijuana use in the last few decades. I know people will never agree with me that marijuana is not harmless but it doesn't matter, smoke it, take it anyway you wish and, eventually, pay the consequences.
 
Fearandloathing said:
"She?"

4-20 came into being in the 70's. It is said to have originated by a group of high school kids who would get together to get at high after school, which was always at 4:20. They came to be known by that name, one of the guys invented a new strain of high end weed, and another became an advocate.

So the date we do this became April 20, which is something likely every pot smoker knows, Hitler's birthday is perhaps a little too esoteric for most of them.

CBC radio provided live coverage at 20 minutes to four as everyone at Sunset Beach lit up. Have just heard the west end of Vancouver is a no go zone for all traffic, and all cell phone providers have announced there is no service across a 50 block swath from too many people trying to access service.

I'd say our health minister's announcement is going to be very popular.
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I was referring to your post about whoever "she" was that announced it at the UN. Now that I have read the background you explained about high school kids lighting up at 4:20 after school, it does make sense. :mrgreen:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

Unfortunately, it's also the day Hitler was born - April 20, 1889. I'm not going to start a thread for him on here, but couldn't she have picked another day? :shock:
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Let's try to take the day back. Make it like the unwritten agreement among old hippies that we never say the name of the guy who shot John Lennon, because if his name is remembered he'll have accomplished what he wanted.
So now the young hippies have taken Hitler's birthday away from him!
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Oh, just great. Which drugs kill/damage more people? The legal ones, and now there will be another legal drug. Anyone who thinks that marijuana is a completely harmless drug is a fool. It's ok folks, just smoke/injest your little hearts out, no harm here. Still, like I said before, only weak, and I will add stupid, people take drugs. There is a perception in most of the community that alcohol is harmless because, well it wouldn't be legal if it wasn't would it. Now the same attitude will apply to marijuana. It is not a harmless drug. I have often wondered, completely unscientifically of course and my own thoughts (so please don't start posting studies and carrying on screaming about the suggestion...tis my own thoughts on the matter) if the rise in autism in the Western world and the increase in Bipolar etc. is linked to increasing marijuana use in the last few decades. I know people will never agree with me that marijuana is not harmless but it doesn't matter, smoke it, take it anyway you wish and, eventually, pay the consequences.
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It makes yo' babies come out naked and toothless too!
 
polgara said:
Greetings, CJ! :2wave:

Are there plans that have been announced that call for increased spending? It seems strange that a newly elected government would see deficits looming this early in the game! :shock:
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It was their entire economic platform to kickstart the economy again as it has been flat-lining lately due to an over reliance on oil. The liberals will also spend money on things like infrastructure, transit, veterans services, housing, middle class tax relief, etc. which sorely needed to be done but the Conservatives never did. They do have plans to eventually balance the budget again it is just that spending is sorely needed and it is what Canadians voted for. I would personally rather see them overestimate their deficits than underestimate them.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Oh, just great. Which drugs kill/damage more people? The legal ones, and now there will be another legal drug. Anyone who thinks that marijuana is a completely harmless drug is a fool. It's ok folks, just smoke/injest your little hearts out, no harm here. Still, like I said before, only weak, and I will add stupid, people take drugs. There is a perception in most of the community that alcohol is harmless because, well it wouldn't be legal if it wasn't would it. Now the same attitude will apply to marijuana. It is not a harmless drug. I have often wondered, completely unscientifically of course and my own thoughts (so please don't start posting studies and carrying on screaming about the suggestion...tis my own thoughts on the matter) if the rise in autism in the Western world and the increase in Bipolar etc. is linked to increasing marijuana use in the last few decades. I know people will never agree with me that marijuana is not harmless but it doesn't matter, smoke it, take it anyway you wish and, eventually, pay the consequences.
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Oh, of course. How could we all have forgotten that stuff? Nobody should use drugs so drugs need to be illegal. Yeah, that'll work.
And as an added bonus, we'll be creating jobs.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Not here. If you are dealing you are probably a grower or a partner in a grow op. I was just at the 4-20 festival and there was no evidence of any hard drugs other than a guy who had some "organic" mushrooms. Here the two camps don't mix, and most dispensaries won't have anything to do with the gangs who control hard drugs.

It has been one of the aspects in favor of legalizing as a brief was presented to all four parties in Canada, only the Liberals chose to hear them out.

I also expect somewhere in this, they will announce some research money for marijuana to look into it's healing properties more deeply.
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Evening F&L
I was referring to the larger dealers. The dispensaries serve a known need, and I was pleased the BC did not crack down on them.
I would hope that companies in this new business would be required to establish and fund rehab centers.
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Oh, just great. Which drugs kill/damage more people? The legal ones, and now there will be another legal drug. Anyone who thinks that marijuana is a completely harmless drug is a fool. It's ok folks, just smoke/injest your little hearts out, no harm here. Still, like I said before, only weak, and I will add stupid, people take drugs. There is a perception in most of the community that alcohol is harmless because, well it wouldn't be legal if it wasn't would it. Now the same attitude will apply to marijuana. It is not a harmless drug. I have often wondered, completely unscientifically of course and my own thoughts (so please don't start posting studies and carrying on screaming about the suggestion...tis my own thoughts on the matter) if the rise in autism in the Western world and the increase in Bipolar etc. is linked to increasing marijuana use in the last few decades. I know people will never agree with me that marijuana is not harmless but it doesn't matter, smoke it, take it anyway you wish and, eventually, pay the consequences.
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Really - the medicinal qualities of grass are well known.
As to casual use, I have been a smoker for over 40 years.
 
JANFU said:
Big Biz is ready to go with the grow ops.
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Yeah, but I don't see big biz monopolizing the growing. It's already too grass-roots.


(grin!)
 
Carjosse said:
It was their entire economic platform to kickstart the economy again as it has been flat-lining lately due to an over reliance on oil. The liberals will also spend money on things like infrastructure, transit, veterans services, housing, middle class tax relief, etc. which sorely needed to be done but the Conservatives never did. They do have plans to eventually balance the budget again it is just that spending is sorely needed and it is what Canadians voted for. I would personally rather see them overestimate their deficits than underestimate them.
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Pls do not talk about Liberals and Veterans- they promised to return their Disability pensions. They backed away only due to cost.
 
Grand Mal said:
Yeah, but I don't see big biz monopolizing the growing. It's already too grass-roots.


(grin!)
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A large number of companies are and have the plans ready to go. Including substantial funding.
 
JANFU said:
Really - the medicinal qualities of grass are well known.
As to casual use, I have been a smoker for over 40 years.
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Right. And all that stuff has nothing to do with why pot is illegal. None of that stuff was even known back then. Pot was made illegal because black jazz musicians might lose control and prey on white women, or something equally stupid.
 
Grand Mal said:
Right. And all that stuff has nothing to do with why pot is illegal. None of that stuff was even known back then. Pot was made illegal because black jazz musicians might lose control and prey on white women, or something equally stupid.
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Or...... hemp was in direct competition with Dupont's nylon. Or it could have been the black jazz musicians. Or the Mexicans. I don't remember.
 
Captain America said:
Or...... hemp was in direct competition with Dupont's nylon. Or it could have been the black jazz musicians. Or the Mexicans. I don't remember.
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Many uses for hemp. Presently we use food for bio fuels- and people are starving.
 
JANFU said:
Evening F&L
I was referring to the larger dealers. The dispensaries serve a known need, and I was pleased the BC did not crack down on them.
I would hope that companies in this new business would be required to establish and fund rehab centers.
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I have no idea what would even happen at a pot "rehab" center and if we're going there than let us tax the largest offender, alcohol still the largest killer.

The concern, and a very legitimate one, is the availability of edibles in particular for teens. It has just been reported eight people were taken to hospital for minor issues, presumably ill effects from eating too much. Cakes and brownies are double dosed and high in sugar and fat to maintain a long high. However it takes an hour or more for the effects to kick in. Thus a 16 year old is going to do a second before the first has even started and and so on.

It has been the big theme and cause for massive media attention where public pressure through the media was brought to bear to card anyone who looked under 25, and not sell anything to anyone under 19. It appears that has been successful, however there is no preventing stupid; VPD Marine squad has to rescue someone who thought he could swim across False Creek at its mouth where the cold and tides alone would take him out in minutes.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I have no idea what would even happen at a pot "rehab" center and if we're going there than let us tax the largest offender, alcohol still the largest killer.

The concern, and a very legitimate one, is the availability of edibles in particular for teens. It has just been reported eight people were taken to hospital for minor issues, presumably ill effects from eating too much. Cakes and brownies are double dosed and high in sugar and fat to maintain a long high. However it takes an hour or more for the effects to kick in. Thus a 16 year old is going to do a second before the first has even started and and so on.

It has been the big theme and cause for massive media attention where public pressure through the media was brought to bear to card anyone who looked under 25, and not sell anything to anyone under 19. It appears that has been successful, however there is no preventing stupid; VPD Marine squad has to rescue someone who thought he could swim across False Creek at its mouth where the cold and tides alone would take him out in minutes.
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Not pot, other drugs.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Considering the recent Canadian government's budget and projections for the next 4 years, seems only reasonable that they'd want as many people stoned as possible moving forward.
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I know you don't like it, but Trudeau's entire popularity revolves around him deliberately taking us not only into debt, but, **** the torpedoes, deep debt. They're budget promising to go into debt $30 billion is one of the most popular budgets in history.

These guys are still on a honeymoon, which surprises even me.
 
JANFU said:
Not pot, other drugs.
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Leading the CBC news as I speak, a report that addictions to opiates through over-prescribing is the number one and rising issue in the addictions arena. It anything regarding addictions and recovery makes it to CBC than you know that it's been industry-wide a long time. The quote I heard was that this far exceeds all illegal addictions.

Now what do we do about that? Who pays? Big pharma who created the ****, the doctor, who? This is a real sore point with me because the alcohol industry is one of the largest and most invisible lobbies in existence. If you need treatment you can either fork out about $6,000 or wait for a public space...and it goes without saying that list is too long by an reasonable standard; anyone in this business knows you have a very small window of clarity between hitting bottom, detoxing and going out again. Yet nowhere in that chain, from the importers, to manufacturers, to dealers, pubs restaurants and nightclubs is there even a thought toward the havoc being wreaked.

I am astonished that Cristy Clark was able get the .05 standard in, over the extreme objections of the booze industry
 
Casper said:
Nope, not until the law has passed, laws are laws, I assume it will be ignored for the most part anyway. FYI: I am in favor of legalizing it in Canada and the US.
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It already is legal in at least two states - Colorado and Washington.
 
Captain America said:
Or...... hemp was in direct competition with Dupont's nylon. Or it could have been the black jazz musicians. Or the Mexicans. I don't remember.
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It was right there, on the tip of my tongue...
 
polgara said:
Greetings, CJ! :2wave:

Are there plans that have been announced that call for increased spending? It seems strange that a newly elected government would see deficits looming this early in the game! :shock:
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Good morning Lady P.

They claimed, during the election, that they were committed to $10 billion deficits for 3 years to fund infrastructure and then in their last year they would balance the budget. They also promised a middle class tax cut that would pay for itself by increasing upper income taxes. Well, they initiated the middle class tax cut, which actually favours higher income earners, and it didn't pay for itself - in fact it adds several $billion a year to the deficits. Then, the new Prime Minister went on a world tour handing out taxpayer money for climate change initiatives and others, to the tune of about $4 billion. Finally, the Finance Minister tables a four year budget projection with $29 billion in deficits this and next year and a total of $110 billion over their four year mandate with no balances in sight and no plans for a balance, and in that first $29 billion deficit just $2.9 billion for infrastructure and a whole heap of social engineering dollars wasted, with promises of increased taxes/fees.

The new Liberal government has gone back to their spendthrift ways of attempting to buy votes from those who don't give a damn about the country's financial wellbeing. Unfortunately, in today's society, there are plenty of people who believe that government exists to give them free stuff and that there are lots of rich people to steal from to pay for it.
 
Carjosse said:
It was their entire economic platform to kickstart the economy again as it has been flat-lining lately due to an over reliance on oil. The liberals will also spend money on things like infrastructure, transit, veterans services, housing, middle class tax relief, etc. which sorely needed to be done but the Conservatives never did. They do have plans to eventually balance the budget again it is just that spending is sorely needed and it is what Canadians voted for. I would personally rather see them overestimate their deficits than underestimate them.
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Firstly, there isn't a single word spoken in the budget documents that speaks to balancing the budget so if you know their plans to do so you're either a Liberal Party insider or you're clairvoyant.

Secondly, if you would prefer that they overestimate their deficits than underestimate them, then you must be pretty pissed at the Liberal government for estimating during the election a maximum of $10 billion in deficits for their first three years and coming in with deficits three times that amount.
 
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