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A NDP Alberta!

Carjosse

Carjosse

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So apparently the NDP has won a rather large majority in Alberta with 53/87 seats, in other news pigs can now fly and hell has frozen over. I think this is something no one expected they would ever see but I guess the PC's 44 year dynasty had to come to an end sometime. For any Americans who want a comparison this is like Texas electing a very large Democrat majority.
 
Good for Alberta, I wish America could learn some from Canada instead of having hardcore red/blue states where people aren't afraid to deviate from the "historic party" and truly think about what is best for their state/country.

Just curious, but is this for a national election or for provincial government? I'm not 100% familiar with how Canadian elected officials operate outside of the basics.
 
Being a Texan, I can relate to Alberta,(very similar in many respects)
I Found this link on what the NDP has promised.
Five things the Alberta NDP have promised
I just hope the new policies do not hurt the good economy Alberta currently enjoys.
 
digsbe said:
Good for Alberta, I wish America could learn some from Canada instead of having hardcore red/blue states where people aren't afraid to deviate from the "historic party" and truly think about what is best for their state/country.

Just curious, but is this for a national election or for provincial government? I'm not 100% familiar with how Canadian elected officials operate outside of the basics.
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This election was for the Alberta legislature. Before this election the NDP only had 4 seats. Alberta is still a conservative province and will still be a federal conservative stronghold. Alberta just got fed up with the Progressive Conservative dynasty in provincial government.
 
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longview said:
Being a Texan, I can relate to Alberta,(very similar in many respects)
I Found this link on what the NDP has promised.
Five things the Alberta NDP have promised
I just hope the new policies do not hurt the good economy Alberta currently enjoys.
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Well they will still have the lowest taxes in the country but a main point this election was diversification of the economy. Alberta relied too much on oil for its revenue and the NDP just want to rely less on it but still harness the oil sands. The drop in only prices had a very strong negative effect on the economy and the budget both provincially and federally.
 
digsbe said:
Good for Alberta, I wish America could learn some from Canada instead of having hardcore red/blue states where people aren't afraid to deviate from the "historic party" and truly think about what is best for their state/country.

Just curious, but is this for a national election or for provincial government? I'm not 100% familiar with how Canadian elected officials operate outside of the basics.
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Alberta rarely changes its political party.

Up once elected the last 3 partied stayed in power for 30 years more
 
Given that this victory boosted the NDP in polls for the federal election, Notley's government has a lot of pressure not to screw things up for a couple months. This is great news, but the NDP is going to need some more ammo to keep their numbers up until October.
 
longview said:
Being a Texan, I can relate to Alberta,(very similar in many respects)
I Found this link on what the NDP has promised.
Five things the Alberta NDP have promised
I just hope the new policies do not hurt the good economy Alberta currently enjoys.
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Oh, it will... It's already started.

Virtually all oil companies are laying people off at a rate just below the threshold where such layoffs must be made public.

Further, as a Texan, I'm not sure if you are aware, but the land being used to extract the oil here is not "owned", but more like a lease, where the land can be used for oil, so long as x number of wells remain active on that land, and while this was grinding down before the NDP got in, many companies have retracted to that minimum, and some backed out completely of their land just because of what the NDP has promised.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Oh, it will... It's already started.

Virtually all oil companies are laying people off at a rate just below the threshold where such layoffs must be made public.

Further, as a Texan, I'm not sure if you are aware, but the land being used to extract the oil here is not "owned", but more like a lease, where the land can be used for oil, so long as x number of wells remain active on that land, and while this was grinding down before the NDP got in, many companies have retracted to that minimum, and some backed out completely of their land just because of what the NDP has promised.
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It is a shame when Governments become parasitic!
 
BmanMcfly said:
Oh, it will... It's already started.

Virtually all oil companies are laying people off at a rate just below the threshold where such layoffs must be made public.

Further, as a Texan, I'm not sure if you are aware, but the land being used to extract the oil here is not "owned", but more like a lease, where the land can be used for oil, so long as x number of wells remain active on that land, and while this was grinding down before the NDP got in, many companies have retracted to that minimum, and some backed out completely of their land just because of what the NDP has promised.
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Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the collapse of global oil prices instead of a government that has not been able to do anything yet.
 
Carjosse said:
Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the collapse of global oil prices instead of a government that has not been able to do anything yet.
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Yes, I'm pretty sure I said that, the trend was starting before the NDP got in, but they made some statements that had created a surge in companies that were abandoning wells.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Yes, I'm pretty sure I said that, the trend was starting before the NDP got in, but they made some statements that had created a surge in companies that were abandoning wells.
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I would place the blame 95% oil collapse and maybe 5% NDP at the very most. The primary reason is that they were no longer profitable.
 
Carjosse said:
I would place the blame 95% oil collapse and maybe 5% NDP at the very most. The primary reason is that they were no longer profitable.
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Really, I can't disagree with that, but that's still a difference in companies that would otherwise have waited things out, or tried at least.

But considering that there HAS been a difference simply based on promises made, and not concrete action, goes to show the nearsighted and idealistic viewpoint of some of the, damn near literal children that are taking power.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Really, I can't disagree with that, but that's still a difference in companies that would otherwise have waited things out, or tried at least.

But considering that there HAS been a difference simply based on promises made, and not concrete action, goes to show the nearsighted and idealistic viewpoint of some of the, damn near literal children that are taking power.
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I would it is the nearsighted and idealistic viewpoint of the companies who would lay people off and reduce production for no reason. The NDP have said they support the oil sands but they also want diversification in order to avoid issues again in the future.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Yes, I'm pretty sure I said that, the trend was starting before the NDP got in, but they made some statements that had created a surge in companies that were abandoning wells.
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Your time frame is incorrect

Alberta sees huge spike in abandoned oil and gas wells - Calgary - CBC News This article is from April 15 2015

It's no secret that Alberta's junior energy sector is struggling. Falling energy prices and tighter rules around the viability of oil and gas wells have meant many companies are abandoning their operations and turning their wells over to the province to be reclaimed.

In the past year, the number of so-called orphan wells has more than quadrupled from 162 to 702. At the current rate of reclamation, it will take 20 years to dismantle just this year's supply.
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The election was in May of 2015, at the time of the article it was still not expected the NDP stood any chance at being elected.

Clearly the issues in Alberta are the result of the low oil price, not because of the NDP.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Really, I can't disagree with that, but that's still a difference in companies that would otherwise have waited things out, or tried at least.

But considering that there HAS been a difference simply based on promises made, and not concrete action, goes to show the nearsighted and idealistic viewpoint of some of the, damn near literal children that are taking power.
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Children? Ralph Kline's dead isn't he?
 
Posters unaware of how things work in Canada, this includes many Canadians, may benefit from the following explanation; it has been some considerable time since Canadians in either a provincial or federal election have elected anyone. What we do is kick the last bunch of incompetent thieves to the curb and the second worst forms government. Federally this will never be the NDP, the ultimate party of Losers. Their current "leader", failed as a Liberal (Canadian version), then lowered his standards even further and failed as the leader of a socialist party. I mean, that has to be the ultimate insult. To fail as a socialist leader. Socialism is the poster child for failure. Provincially, the NDP-which is not a political party but a failed social experiment with pretensions-has occasionally formed a provincial government for the reasons explained above. In every case they have in a relatively short time destroyed the economy of said province. In British Columbia, they drained the public coffers to such an extent they had to impose taxes on hundreds of services the government used to provide for free and brought in...wait for it...a tax on road kill! This was ironic because not long after there was an election and the NDP themselves became road kill losing all but 2 (two) seats. No word on whether they paid the tax of not. Bets are they didn't.
 
Realitywins said:
Posters unaware of how things work in Canada, this includes many Canadians, may benefit from the following explanation; it has been some considerable time since Canadians in either a provincial or federal election have elected anyone. What we do is kick the last bunch of incompetent thieves to the curb and the second worst forms government. Federally this will never be the NDP, the ultimate party of Losers. Their current "leader", failed as a Liberal (Canadian version), then lowered his standards even further and failed as the leader of a socialist party. I mean, that has to be the ultimate insult. To fail as a socialist leader. Socialism is the poster child for failure. Provincially, the NDP-which is not a political party but a failed social experiment with pretensions-has occasionally formed a provincial government for the reasons explained above. In every case they have in a relatively short time destroyed the economy of said province. In British Columbia, they drained the public coffers to such an extent they had to impose taxes on hundreds of services the government used to provide for free and brought in...wait for it...a tax on road kill! This was ironic because not long after there was an election and the NDP themselves became road kill losing all but 2 (two) seats. No word on whether they paid the tax of not. Bets are they didn't.
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I enjoy reading up on events in Canada. I get the impression that businesses and individuals can figuratively live "in exile" under Brad Wall next door in Saskatchewan. They can come back after Alberta gets back to normal and free of the default government. The NPD wasn't preferred, but rather won by default to punish the PCs. When pay isn't as much as an issue, I wouldn't mind getting a work contract up there. And no, politics has nothing to do with it. I just like that it's less crowded.
 
SDET said:
I enjoy reading up on events in Canada. I get the impression that businesses and individuals can figuratively live "in exile" under Brad Wall next door in Saskatchewan. They can come back after Alberta gets back to normal and free of the default government. The NPD wasn't preferred, but rather won by default to punish the PCs. When pay isn't as much as an issue, I wouldn't mind getting a work contract up there. And no, politics has nothing to do with it. I just like that it's less crowded.
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You have pretty much hit the nail on the head. When the NDP had control of the public coffers in BC in the 90's, many businesses moved to Alberta and even Washington state. Some never came back. The same will happen if the current government keeps pissing people off. The NDP never get elected, the other party simply gets the boot.
 
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