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Old 11-27-09, 08:21 PM   #1
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Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/us...rdFQwFuMP5+Gww

And here I thought only our opinions didn't matter to Obama. This guy is so arrogant that he and his disciples will ignore laws he's signed.

My question is did that Bill say future funding or just funding?

I pretty much expected something like this. Obama has to get his way and nothing wil get in his way.

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Published: November 27, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has concluded that the Obama administration can lawfully pay the community group Acorn for services provided under contracts signed before Congress banned the government from providing money to the group.

The department’s conclusion, laid out in a recently disclosed five-page memorandum from David Barron, the acting assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel, adds a new wrinkle to a sharp political debate over the antipoverty group’s activities and recent efforts to distance the government from it.

Since 1994, Acorn, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, has received about $53 million in federal aid, much of it grants from the Department of Housing and Urban Development for providing various services related to affordable housing.

But the group has become a prime target for conservative critics, and on Oct. 1, President Obama signed into law a spending bill that included a provision that said no taxpayer money — including money authorized by previous legislation — could be “provided to” the group or its affiliates.
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Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

It may be a legal requirement under govt contract law.
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Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

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It may be a legal requirement under govt contract law.
I was of the under the impression a new law can supersede and replace or alter any old one.

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Obama has to get his way and nothing wil get in his way.
the american people will, my friend

his entire agenda is already dead

it's cuz moves like this just kill him, politically

as for the legalities, i'm no professional constitutionalist...

but the POLITICS of it...

that is, if mister AG has to weigh in, it sounds like a matter of some dispute

and mister AG would not, then, be the final word

the admin is once more, as always, on the extreme opposite side of the american people

perhaps you and i should not let these things bother us so much, he's hurting himself a lot more than he is our values

the phenomenon that showed its blood red face in VA and NJ is getting even hotter

patience

when it comes to acorn, everyone knows
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It may be a legal requirement under govt contract law.
Every government contract I ever saw had a clause that allowed to government to void the contract on account of fraud/wrong doing.
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Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

Obama will do anything to protect his main voter getter organizations. It seems ACORN is important enough for Obama to protect even though it could cost him greatly politically.
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Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

acorn couldn't make a dent in VA or NJ

and the red wave is a lot taller now even than nov 3

he's done ksm since then

he's continued to screw up totally afghanistan

the war against the fed has been joined by the congressional black caucus

climategate's taken over the headlines and he's going to copenhagen for a day

his disastrous trip to asia where he had no goals, got no results and allowed himself to be used as a prop in hu's carefully choreographed stageplay

mammograms and cervical cancer

the deficit has overtaken health care as the number one domestic issue for the media

geithner and holder bombed on capitol hill

the party has surrendered cap and trade

he's being criticized for concentrating all his efforts on social reforms like health care and global warming while doing nothing about the economy or jobs

everyone's talking about the bailouts of the megacorps, their losses picked up by taxpayers while their profits end up in overplump pockets

that's the left, right and center jumping on obama

and he's about to ESCALATE in afghanistan

acorn can't do squat in the face of all that

so, once more, he fails to distance himself from a hated idea, acorn, which has no chance of accomplishing anything for him anyway

the most incompetent politician at the national level america has ever produced

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the american people will, my friend

his entire agenda is already dead

it's cuz moves like this just kill him, politically

as for the legalities, i'm no professional constitutionalist...

but the POLITICS of it...

that is, if mister AG has to weigh in, it sounds like a matter of some dispute

and mister AG would not, then, be the final word

the admin is once more, as always, on the extreme opposite side of the american people

perhaps you and i should not let these things bother us so much, he's hurting himself a lot more than he is our values

the phenomenon that showed its blood red face in VA and NJ is getting even hotter

patience

when it comes to acorn, everyone knows

Santa make that big old boogieman go away.
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Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

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It may be a legal requirement under govt contract law.
The same laws they ignored with the TARP bailout crap they pulled, making companies change or void contracts, things that were not part of the original deal with DC?
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I was of the under the impression a new law can supersede and replace or alter any old one.
No. Unless there is a clause that explicitly allows retroactive application of existing contracts, you can't do it. See the linked post to links directly to the text of that bill. There's no retroactive clause. Kind of stupid if you ask me. If they were really out to get them, they would have put such a clause in.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...contracts.html (Justice Department Says Acorn Can Be Paid for Pre-Ban Contracts)
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