Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

Scarecrow Akhbar · 11-30-09, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crunch

James Madison said that 'general welfare' not prescription for unlimited government

So did Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist 83.

which pretty much nails the lid down on the coffin of the "General Welfare Clause = Unlimited Government" argument. None of the principals that forged the Constitution viewed it as anything more than explanatory phrase serving only as the justification for the enumerated powers assigned the federal government. That phrase was simply not a blank check, period.

justabubba · 11-30-09, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar

So did Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist 83.

which pretty much nails the lid down on the coffin of the "General Welfare Clause = Unlimited Government" argument. None of the principals that forged the Constitution viewed it as anything more than explanatory phrase serving only as the justification for the enumerated powers assigned the federal government. That phrase was simply not a blank check, period.

and yet neither of them convinced the cohort of the Constitutional Convention to revise it to express the specificity they later attributed to that provision

donc · 11-30-09, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar

The Contract With America was the Republicans pledge "to bring to the floor [of the House] the ten bills, each to be given a full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote, and each to be immediately available for public inspection".

The ten items were brought to a vote. Most of them passed the House.

What's your problem, just basic ignorance and a heartfelt desire to repeat Democrat talking points because regurgitation is easier than thinking for yourself?

I don’t have a problem with talking points, maybe you were looking in a mirror when you said that and like magic it just popped up on your screen.

My gig is pointing out facts, so I will just point at the fact that I posted for the prof, again, for your enjoyment but with more detail. Like this fact that evidently you call a talking point.

The Citizen Legislature Act, which calls for “term limits to replace career politicians,”.

In the House of Representatives, 23 candidates are running for re-election in 2006, Gasp, violating their term-limits pledge.

Here’s the list of them. J.D. Hayworth, Steve Chabot
George Radanovich, Dave Weldon, Charlie Norwood, Jerry Weller, Mark Souder, John Hostettler, Todd Tiahrt, Ed Whitfield, Gil Gutknecht, Roger Wicker, Charles Bass, Rodney Frelinghuysen, Sue Kelly, Mac Thornberry, Phil English, Steve LaTourette
Bob Ney Walter Jones, Sue Myrick, Tom Davis, Zach Wamp

formerroadie · 12-01-09, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar

The Contract With America was the Republicans pledge "to bring to the floor [of the House] the ten bills, each to be given a full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote, and each to be immediately available for public inspection".

The ten items were brought to a vote. Most of them passed the House.

What's your problem, just basic ignorance and a heartfelt desire to repeat Democrat talking points because regurgitation is easier than thinking for yourself?

Wow, they didn't filibuster themselves? Seems that's all they know how to do now.

ptif219 · 12-01-09, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by formerroadie

Wow, they didn't filibuster themselves? Seems that's all they know how to do now.

You mean they learned from the democrats during the Bush administration?

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