Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid

The Prof · 11-28-09, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by donc

I kinda like jumping in a pull the profs chain every now and then.

a pull the prof's chain?

by talking baby talk?

LOL!

donc · 11-28-09, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Prof

a pull the prof's chain?

by talking baby talk?

LOL!

What say prof, should the contract be broken? Should the government be like the infamous REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA? Where they said that Congress should abide to all the laws that the rest of the country has to abide to?

How about this laugher, or in prof talk LOL,LOL, term limits for Congressmen and Senators;Hee,hee. I believe the legacy of corruption of, well, Tom (slew foot) DeLay and Jack(casino)Abramoff, just to name a few should bar any Republicans (who have some how seen the light of fiscal responsibility of late) getting control of anything on a national level for the foreseeable future.

donc · 11-28-09, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Crunch

(caught 10, kept 2 over 15)

Rainbow?

got pictures?

formerroadie · 11-28-09, 04:48 PM

Good. I hope they revoke the ACORN funding law or apply it to all contracts. It's obvious people were duped into believing something was wrong due to the actions of 3 or so people. The right wing fears the poor. If they are educated on their rights and given a chance to speak, they right wing knows they haven't a chance. I, for one, will be helping ACORN and supporting them financially for many years to come.

Councilman · 11-29-09, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by formerroadie

Good. I hope they revoke the ACORN funding law or apply it to all contracts. It's obvious people were duped into believing something was wrong due to the actions of 3 or so people. The right wing fears the poor. If they are educated on their rights and given a chance to speak, they right wing knows they haven't a chance. I, for one, will be helping ACORN and supporting them financially for many years to come.

Liberals who presume to think for or know what Conservatives think or believe elevate themselves to a level they fail to occupy in real life. That being someone who can think.
The false claim that Conservatives fear the poor is another attempt to take the focus off of the facts that ACORN is a proven corrupt organization and its champion in the White House does give a damn because they use their corrupt practices to support his failing policies.

Zyphlin · 11-30-09, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by obvious Child

Show me in the constitution where the government doesn't have the power to become an "equity owner” of any privately, or publicly held company.... good luck with that.

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Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

That didn't take long.

Councilman · 11-30-09, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

That didn't take long.

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Preamble to The Constitution of the United States,
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, "promote the general Welfare", and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Most people would be said to distort things to make them appear to support their positions.

Liberals on the other hand pervert things, nay everything.

It's amazing lately how many quote the high lighted section of the Preamble and claim it as their proof "Health Care" is covered in the Constitution. Apparently they were never taught that the items covered by Constitution begin night after, Article I, Section1.

PogueMoran · 11-30-09, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Councilman

Most people would be said to distort things to make them appear to support their positions.

Liberals on the other hand pervert things, nay everything.

It's amazing lately how many quote the high lighted section of the Preamble and claim it as their proof "Health Care" is covered in the Constitution. Apparently they were never taught that the items covered by Constitution begin night after, Article I, Section1.

Its also amazing how many people talk about the 10th amendment without referring to existing case law. For instance in wickard v filburn it was decided that congress could regulate wheat production on a family farm that was intended for personal consumption on the farm. Garcia v san antonio metro transit authority stated that federal minimum wage guidelines trumped the guidelines of the state and the feds werent encroaching on state sovereignty. In south dakota v dole the feds were allowed to dictate the legal drinking age to the states. Several exceptions have been used over the years them being the commerce clause, tax and spending clause and the necessary and proper clause.

Crunch · 11-30-09, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by obvious Child

So you believe that everything explicitly not stated in the document is unconstitutional?

Show me in the constitution where the government doesn't have the power to become an "equity owner” of any privately, or publicly held company.... good luck with that.

Keep the 10th amendment firmly in mind as you read

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Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Nope.... don't see a thing in the constitution that enumerates the power to own part of a private company, or to buy part or all of a private company, paid for out of our tax dollars.... if you do, please point it out.

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By the way, you do realize that government pension funds are some of the largest equity holders in public firms and private equity?

And you can't see the difference between a pension fund and owning part of a car company?

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See the link I posted. Section 603 I believe.

They do call out Acorn in the bill. That is pretty much a textbook case of a bill of attainder.

Agreed.

This just goes to show that congress is totally incompetent to write any legislation that is legal and consistent with the constitution......... surprises me not.

liblady · 11-30-09, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Councilman

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/us...rdFQwFuMP5+Gww

And here I thought only our opinions didn't matter to Obama. This guy is so arrogant that he and his disciples will ignore laws he's signed.

My question is did that Bill say future funding or just funding?

I pretty much expected something like this. Obama has to get his way and nothing wil get in his way.

i don't understand the issue here. they provided services, they will be paid.

11-28-09, 04:48 PM	#24
formerroadie Professor Join Date: May 2009 Last Seen: 02-28-10 06:18 PM Location: Texas Posts: 2,014 Thanks: 888 Thanked 588 Times in 354 Posts Lean: Liberal Gender:	Re: Justice Dept. Says Acorn Can Be Paid Good. I hope they revoke the ACORN funding law or apply it to all contracts. It's obvious people were duped into believing something was wrong due to the actions of 3 or so people. The right wing fears the poor. If they are educated on their rights and given a chance to speak, they right wing knows they haven't a chance. I, for one, will be helping ACORN and supporting them financially for many years to come.
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