the President o f Europe

MetalGear · 11-29-09, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Then dont post it and confuse me!!!:. trying to type and get ready to go out and watch Barcelona vs Real Madrid omfgs!!!

Yeah im gearing my self up for that match too. Gonna find a Danish pub and drink and sing the night away with my fellow Danesmen. Oh how i love this country.

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Hows the weather up there btw? As bad as it is here.. yes we got rain!!!!

You mean your pretty self isnt in Denmark??

Raining and bloody freezing mate. Gonna put my jacket on and pop down to a pub with my mates to see if any of em are showing the match. REAL MADRID! REAL MADRID!!!!

At the moment im screaming at my TV, the Arsenal game is going bloody awefully.

PeteEU · 11-30-09, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MetalGear

Yeah im gearing my self up for that match too. Gonna find a Danish pub and drink and sing the night away with my fellow Danesmen. Oh how i love this country.

Great game!!!!

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You mean your pretty self isnt in Denmark??

Raining and bloody freezing mate. Gonna put my jacket on and pop down to a pub with my mates to see if any of em are showing the match. REAL MADRID! REAL MADRID!!!!

At the moment im screaming at my TV, the Arsenal game is going bloody awefully.

Nope I am in warm and sunny Spain.. well usually warm and sunny

And yea the ref was a tad doggy in that game, but all in all Chealski deserved winning.

Dutch · 11-30-09, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Toothpicvic

How is this any worse than the USA?

Us poor folk here in the us don't pay anywhere near 35%.....yet.

Dutch · 11-30-09, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra

What?

Europe has made a lot better, longer and more sustainable changes around the world. All of eastern Europe has changed massivly, every part of their lives, nothing is the same. Even Turkey who is not a member is embracing ideas the EU puts on it, and so do surrounding countries.

Mostly by leaving their empires behind them. Inasfar as changes about all europe has done lately is feather it's own nests and leave it's foreign policy and defence to the us.

Now that the us is now on the ropes will europe be able to navigate on it's own? Setting up a political system whereby the president of the eu is chosen behind closed doors instead of an election by popular vote isn't much of a start.

Maximus Zeebra · 11-30-09, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Bull****.

Africa's problems are as much their own making as it is "outsiders". The lack of political stability is the number one issue for Africa and that political instability is more than often based on rival tribal conflicts with in the country. When Africa stops producing corrupt politicians that kill their own people while stuffing their own pockets with aid money, then Africa will start to come out of the dark ages.

Most African countries have preferential access to the EU for one.

That saying, yes outsiders do have an impact on Africa.. we sell them weapons, while wanting their diamonds and resources. There is money in keeping Africa a conflict zone. But that still does not change the fact that Africa also needs to step up to come out of the dark ages.

WE the WEST made Africa into what it has become. There just isnt any way around that reality.

When a hustler lures a victim, do you blame the victim?
When a huge guy beats the **** out of a small guy do you blame the small guy?

No really. But yes, its partly their fault for being lured or not being strong enough to defend themselves.

Maximus Zeebra · 11-30-09, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

Mostly by leaving their empires behind them. Inasfar as changes about all europe has done lately is feather it's own nests and leave it's foreign policy and defence to the us.

Now that the us is now on the ropes will europe be able to navigate on it's own? Setting up a political system whereby the president of the eu is chosen behind closed doors instead of an election by popular vote isn't much of a start.

We MUST never have a president with meaningful power. Nor an elected president. It creates bad policies.

Europe must not be run or directed by a single person, but by all the nations and all EU institutions. A president would greatly weaken democracy in the EU. It already has with the two year president post instead of rotating presidency every half year that moves between ALL member states.

Also majority voting has weakened democracy. There is nothing more sustainable than unanimous agreements.

We must not be lured into fools ways with presidents and fancy money elections and so fourt. That is the real corruption, and real weakness of democracy.

Dutch · 11-30-09, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra

We MUST never have a president with meaningful power. Nor an elected president. It creates bad policies.

Ok.

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Europe must not be run or directed by a single person, but by all the nations and all EU institutions. A president would greatly weaken democracy in the EU. It already has with the two year president post instead of rotating presidency every half year that moves between ALL member states.

Just how is that?

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Also majority voting has weakened democracy. There is nothing more sustainable than unanimous agreements.

Without a popular vote......you don't have a democracy.

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We must not be lured into fools ways with presidents and fancy money elections and so fourt. That is the real corruption, and real weakness of democracy.

Don't look now but you've already got "presidents and fancy money." The only difference is others get to choose for you.

Maximus Zeebra · 12-01-09, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

Just how is that?

Why do you want an elected semi dictator? Why dont people realize that individuals in power is wrong, and individuals who direct a whole nation is absurd and anti-democratic.

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Originally Posted by Dutch

Without a popular vote......you don't have a democracy.

You missed the second part about unanimous voting. What is more democracy than unanimous voting?

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Don't look now but you've already got "presidents and fancy money." The only difference is others get to choose for you.

No. In the US people buy their way to become president and are pretty much free to direct policies any way they want. Elections arent anymore about politics, but **** throwing über tactics. That isnt what politics should be about.

Why do you rather want an elected person to rule a whole continent of 450 million people for 4/5 years instead of a rotating presidency where every country in the EU rule the EU for 6 months. Meaning new impulses every 6 months from the whole leaderhip of a country, rather than new impulses from a single individual every 4/5 years..
Please clarify the advantage of an elected dictator as oppose to the roatating presidency we had before...

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