the President o f Europe

Maximus Zeebra · 11-25-09, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Oh I dont disagree. What I am trying to say is that things that can best be handled locally should be done so, and things that best can be handled globally should be done so.

Good to hear that I am not the only one.

I am unmovable in saying people should be taxed locally, and then handed upwards on a need basis to regional and national(US)/continental(EU) governance.

What is your stance on tax in that case?

kaya'08 · 11-25-09, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

I see.. so you are an utter isolationist.. stick your head in the sand then.

The point of global governance is not to make a one world government (I have no doubt that is for some) but to make sure that we have an effective response to issues that effect all of us and can only be solved by all of us.

You mean Germany and France?

PeteEU · 11-25-09, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra

Good to hear that I am not the only one.

I am unmovable in saying people should be taxed locally, and then handed upwards on a need basis to regional and national(US)/continental(EU) governance.

What is your stance on tax in that case?

Depends on the tax system and what works best. I dont agree with top down tax systems nor do I believe in up top tax systems. Both cause problems. The top down tax systems dont always take into context the needs of the locals, and the up top tax systems can easily bring a country to its knees and give far far too much power to the locals, who frankly are far from always viewing the best interests of the country as a whole.

The best system is that you have a local and state tax you have to pay and hence separating the two. Now that does not mean you need two bloated bureaucracies to handle the administrative work. One organisation can easily handle both and that organisation should have local "branches" so to say.

As for the "continental tax".. does not exist and wont exist until we get another new treaty and is highly unlikely. Any transfer of money to the continent should go through the state (national) of course since the are best equipped to do so, and represent us in that matter.

PeteEU · 11-25-09, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kaya'08

You mean Germany and France?

Dont understand what you mean.

American · 11-25-09, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Depends on the tax system and what works best. I dont agree with top down tax systems nor do I believe in up top tax systems. Both cause problems. The top down tax systems dont always take into context the needs of the locals, and the up top tax systems can easily bring a country to its knees and give far far too much power to the locals, who frankly are far from always viewing the best interests of the country as a whole.

The best system is that you have a local and state tax you have to pay and hence separating the two. Now that does not mean you need two bloated bureaucracies to handle the administrative work. One organisation can easily handle both and that organisation should have local "branches" so to say.

As for the "continental tax".. does not exist and wont exist until we get another new treaty and is highly unlikely. Any transfer of money to the continent should go through the state (national) of course since the are best equipped to do so, and represent us in that matter.

I hope you get that treaty and they tax the living **** out of you without reducing the current taxes. Then I hope to hear Europeans whine their little butts off about how tough it is. hahahahahaha

PeteEU · 11-25-09, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by American

I hope you get that treaty and they tax the living **** out of you without reducing the current taxes. Then I hope to hear Europeans whine their little butts off about how tough it is. hahahahahaha

The day that Brussels get tax authority breaking 50 years of policy is the day the EU dies and a new Federated European Nation is born.. and that will not happen within the next 50 years at least, if every. I for one will be against it.

American · 11-25-09, 09:27 AM

You guys just aren't paying enough taxes. You need to use the special IRS form 1040

Line 1) How much did you make last year? __________
Line 2) Send it in. ___________

Maximus Zeebra · 11-26-09, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Depends on the tax system and what works best. I dont agree with top down tax systems nor do I believe in up top tax systems. Both cause problems. The top down tax systems dont always take into context the needs of the locals, and the up top tax systems can easily bring a country to its knees and give far far too much power to the locals, who frankly are far from always viewing the best interests of the country as a whole.

The best system is that you have a local and state tax you have to pay and hence separating the two. Now that does not mean you need two bloated bureaucracies to handle the administrative work. One organisation can easily handle both and that organisation should have local "branches" so to say.

As for the "continental tax".. does not exist and wont exist until we get another new treaty and is highly unlikely. Any transfer of money to the continent should go through the state (national) of course since the are best equipped to do so, and represent us in that matter.

Agreed!

By top up I more mean that most taxes should be collected by local governance. Some part by regional, some part by national and some part by federal.

I like the idea of 4 layers, but we could be better of removing the nations alltogether.

Maximus Zeebra · 11-26-09, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by American

You guys just aren't paying enough taxes. You need to use the special IRS form 1040

Line 1) How much did you make last year? __________
Line 2) Send it in. ___________

Ive paid anything from 10%-55% total taxes of my wages in different European countries. On average of all of those and the tax systems I know, around 35% seems the average and the norm(yes, after studying all brackets, not only my own income bracket).

Toothpicvic · 11-26-09, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalle

Norway are not part of thiis.the EU this is big mistake.Russia try to get in EU and it past the Köpenhagn accord.this will not be good for Europe.i dont like Vladimir putin.i thiink Tarja Halonen or Eva britt Svensson make better presiident then for thiis Belgian PM Rompuy.

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