Lawyer: 9/11 defendants want platform for views

Redress · 11-23-09, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

So you believe they have a right to a platform to launch anti-American propaganda? Since when do alien unlawful combatants have the right to freedom of speech?

Have a right? No, I do not think so. I think it is just a side effect of the process.

The Prof · 11-23-09, 06:56 PM

holder and obama preconvicted them

Agent Ferris · 11-23-09, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SE102

Are you saying that our universal rights dont apply to percieved 'lessers' and that the rights our laws grant people stop taking effect at some sort of discretion defined by who knows who?

Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it say that the rights apply outside of the country.

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Allow them to say what they will, and face up to their allegations.

Oh so what you REALLY want is to put America on trial and not the terrorists.

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You're not part of a country historically predisposed to genocides,

Nope never happened.

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mass forced movements of populations,

As has every country on the planet.

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invasions based on lies (multiple ones),

Such as?

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the murder of millions of civilians

Such as?

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and has an ideological vocabulary that is virtually fascist.

So you're talking about Islamism right?

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I mean, what can these terrorists say that is any worse than what the average far lefty thinks?

And here I thought that people wanted to put the terrorists on trial and now we all know the truth, it's the U.S. that you people want to put on trial.

Agent Ferris · 11-23-09, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan

B. I would argue that Pearl Harbor was worse.

More people were killed on 9-11.

Agent Ferris · 11-23-09, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Redress

Simply as part of the process. I don't think the purpose of the trial is for them, it's for us.

Really what do we game from it? The only winners in this will be the terrorists.

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I think it does us good to see him tried, and see him convicted(I assume),

You think it does us good to put the U.S. on trial rather than the terrorists?

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and know that he is executed.

Highly doubtful. FYI champ since 2004 the death penalty has deemed unconstitutional by New York Court of Appeals and the last person executed by New York was in 1963.

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The terrorists try and change us, be we still stay the same, and we protect our own, and we do it in the light of day.

Justice can be served through the military tribunal system without giving these war criminals a platform from which to spew Anti-American propaganda, justify the murder of 3,000 U.S. civilians, and put the U.S. itself on trial.

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I think that is what makes this a great country.

So you're saying that giving court martials to our own soldiers makes our country not great? Because the rules of procedure are nearly exactly the same as that of the military tribunals. Tell me were you, Obama, or anyone on the left clamoring for civilian trials for those responsible for the Mahmudiyah rape and murders? Hell no they weren't because they don't care about their misconceived value of "justice" unless its for anti-American war criminals.

EpicDude86 · 11-23-09, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan

B. I would argue that Pearl Harbor was worse.

Pearl Harbor was a military action within the "Rules of War"

9-11 not only had a massively larger victim count, but was not perpetrated within the "Rules of War"

So, Japan got two atom bombs...logically you can figure what KSM deserves.

pro-bipartisan · 11-23-09, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

More people were killed on 9-11.

Yeah but I consider WWII bigger than the Iraq war.

SE102 · 11-23-09, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it say that the rights apply outside of the country.

I guess you question their universality then.

Oh so what you REALLY want is to put America on trial and not the terrorists.

Yes I hate america. Good one, ho five you totally got me.

Nope never happened.

I giess this is a comedy thread now.

As has every country on the planet.

Afghanistan did that too?

Such as?

Murder of millions of civilians? Vietnam, hundreds of thousands in Iraq due to the war... Dresden? Tokyo Firebombing?

Such as?

Wars started based on lies? Vietnam, Iraq. But don't tell me, not according to your view of history. Im sure Tonkin Gulf and WMDs never happened.

So you're talking about Islamism right?

[b] Im talking about intangible ethereal concepts such as 'freedom', 'liberty' democracy when it suits you etc.

And here I thought that people wanted to put the terrorists on trial and now we all know the truth, it's the U.S. that you people want to put on trial.

Are you pretending not to know anything or do you actually not know anything?

And I said all hateful liberal stuff about genocides etc. that to fulfill a liberal stereotype.

texmaster · 11-23-09, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

Attack on America=matter of national defense=military tribunal.

Regardless of whether these guys want to use this as a platform for their rhetoric, I am still in the dark as to why these aren't military tribunals? What is the argument against this being tried in military court?

They don't have one which is why Redress and the rest avoid the pointed question at all costs.

texmaster · 11-23-09, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Redress

You are proving my point for me, and proving your inability to follow simple logic. As I have stated, the views are already out there. You show that they are already out there. There is no additional danger from some one expressing views that are already easy to find. Putting our hands over our ears is not going to make them go away.

My God you cannot be this ignorant.

Are you claiming that if more pictures of ABU Graibe hit the internet it wouldn't recruit more Islamic terrorists?

If that were true then why did your Messiah refuse to allow the Communist Anti Christian League or ACLU to get its hands on the pictures?

First you tried to claim preaching hate isn't something to fear and now you are claiming that preaching more hate wont matter.

Mohammad Cartoon Sparked riots which killed people

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Muslim cartoon fury claims lives

False claim of mistreatment of the Qur'an in Afghanistan killed more people

15 dead in Afghanistan riots - false report of Koran flushing triggers mass hysteria in Muslim world: Stop Apologising to Islam - Why is US government probing a false report ? - Militant Islam Monitor - Militant Islam Monitor

Try opening up a newspaper or reading a few articles once in a while and stay away from Doonesbury.

You fall into more intellectual traps than Britney Spears in a CNN interview.

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