Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

Arch Enemy · 11-19-09, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

Hyper Partisan Liberal: Of course, taking months upon months to make decisions on a generals recommendation is great. That's what we want, not some yahoo that makes snap judgements

Hyper Partisan Republican: Waiting months is going to kill troops, we need someone to act immedietely upon recommendation of a generals recommendations no matter what they are or how it affects the nation as a whole or the war effort as a whole.

Normal People: Seriously, is there not a middle ground here between "Wooo lets invade everything!" and "I need to make a decision, contact me in 2013 when I don't have re-election to deal with"

I don't even get an honorable mention.

Ethereal · 11-19-09, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

Hyper Partisan Liberal: Of course, taking months upon months to make decisions on a generals recommendation is great. That's what we want, not some yahoo that makes snap judgements

Hyper Partisan Republican: Waiting months is going to kill troops, we need someone to act immedietely upon recommendation of a generals recommendations no matter what they are or how it affects the nation as a whole or the war effort as a whole.

Normal People: Seriously, is there not a middle ground here between "Wooo lets invade everything!" and "I need to make a decision, contact me in 2013 when I don't have re-election to deal with"

So, sending needed troops to a war of necessity = "Woooo let's invade everything!"?

Zyphlin · 11-19-09, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

So, sending needed troops to a war of necessity = "Woooo let's invade everything!"?

You realize the last two lines were purposefully exaggerations? Or do you seriously think that the liberal side (I see you failed to comment on that one) really believes "lets wait until 2013 to make a decision"?

I think there's a reasonable middle ground between immedietely and mindlessly just doing whatever a single general is asking for and taking months upon months to make a decision on something that you should've at least in a cursory way been thinking of prior to the general even making a recommendation.

I think Bush made a number of military strategy mistakes, I believe in part due to his eagerness to rush into the situation and over confidence without taking the time to truly understand what they were up against and the situation at hand. Likewise I think Obama has fumbled this badly and taken far to long to make a decision on something he campaigned on and, if it was as important as he made it out to be, should've been thinking of since the time he came into office.

The hyper partisans on the left are all unquestionably defending Obama as if he's a genius for what he's doing with no wrong in sight while completely slamming Bush. Hyper partisans on the right are reacting by ignorantly making it out as if Bush was some kind of war genius that could do no wrong and Obama is actively hoping troops will die and he just doens't give a ****. Neither side wants to admit any fault to theirs, or will admit it in a glossing over way to quickly get back to insulting the other side, while painting the other sides actions even in a general way as being an afront of mankind as a whole.

danarhea · 11-19-09, 02:33 PM

Hasn't Obama been close to a decision on Afghanistan for a few months now?

Like him or not, at least Bush was the decider. May have been the wrong decision sometimes, but at least he made one. Obama is more like Jimmy Carter on that score.

tjinta ibis · 11-19-09, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dav

He's had 10 months; that's a bit more than enough time.

You do remember that Obama has sent 47,000 more troops to Afghanistan since he came to office? Don't you?

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There is no reason to continue stalling (and letting troops die in the process).

The idea that troops are dying due to his considered decision making is ludicrous fear mongering, and craven lying of the war lovers.

tjinta ibis · 11-19-09, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

Hasn't Obama been close to a decision on Afghanistan for a few months now?

Like him or not, at least Bush was the decider. May have been the wrong decision sometimes, but at least he made one. Obama is more like Jimmy Carter on that score.

Yes much better to make wrong decisions than to make considered ones.

danarhea · 11-19-09, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tjinta ibis

Yes much better to make wrong decisions than to make considered ones.

Or to make no decision at all, and it ends up killing our soldiers. Sheesh!!

Reverend_Hellh0und · 11-19-09, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

I'm very happy to see a Presdient who actually stands his principles and doesn't rush into a decision despite the fools who have come to expect that out of a leader. I'd much rather have someone that takes the time and makes a right decision than one who continually makes quick bad ones.

yeah as long as your kid aint in harms way, take all the time in the world.....

Ethereal · 11-19-09, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zyphlin

I think there's a reasonable middle ground between immedietely and mindlessly just doing whatever a single general is asking for...

What's mindless about listening to the top commander in Afghanistan? Who is in a better position than him to make such a determination? He says he needs the troops as soon as possible or we are likely to fail; really, what is there to think about?

Upon receiving the request Obama should have immediately convened his top military advisors and presented a plan in no less than seventy-two hours. Expecting your Commander in Chief to be decisive in a time of war is not unreasonable.

Dix · 11-19-09, 06:12 PM

Actions speak louder than words.
He's been deploying troops left and right while he "delays" announcing his decision. That IS his decision. Sending more troops. My next door neighbor just got back from Iraq. When you get back from a deployment like that you're supposed to be stateside for a year (stabilization) but he's already on orders to go to Afghanistan in less than 6 months.

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