Obama "very close" to Afghan troop decision: TV report

donc · 11-21-09, 02:13 PM

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Obama is playing politics with our troops lives.

what gives you this idea?

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Obama is trying to figure out the best way to further his political agenda by using Afghanistan.

No, Obama in my opinion is trying to save the lives of our troops, while turning most of the grunt work over to the Afghans.

Whip Comes Down · 11-21-09, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by donc

Obama in my opinion is trying to save the lives of our troops, while turning most of the grunt work over to the Afghans.

I second those emotions.

Neitzluber · 11-21-09, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ptif219

what gives you this idea?

No, Obama in my opinion is trying to save the lives of our troops, while turning most of the grunt work over to the Afghans.

Turning the job over to the Afghans is not going to work.
We tried that approach in Vietnam and look what happened.
We left South Vietnam, apparently strong, to defend itself...
It got overrun in a few months.

Let's face it, we have two options:
1. Get out and let the Taliban take over.
2. Turn the country into a police state.

EpicDude86 · 11-21-09, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neitzluber

We left South Vietnam, apparently strong, to defend itself...
It got overrun in a few months.

What Vietnam are you referring to?

Neitzluber · 11-21-09, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicDude86

What Vietnam are you referring to?

The country called Vietnam.
One of two places where we lost wars in the 20th century.

Albert Di Salvo · 11-21-09, 02:27 PM

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The only ones playing politics are the Obama haters on the right. They don't care about the troops, just hurting Obama.

Do you think everyone who loathes Obama is on the right?

Are you questioning the patriotism of dissent? I remember the right questioning the patriotism of those on the left on dissent over the Iraq War during the Bush Administration. Now you're doing the same thing they did.

EpicDude86 · 11-21-09, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Neitzluber

The country called Vietnam.
One of two places where we lost wars in the 20th century.

That's not what I was trying to point out. You said we left Vietnam when the S.V. we're strong? I believe we left when Saigon was captured and the War was over...

donc · 11-21-09, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicDude86

What Vietnam are you referring to?

Something is screwed up in you quote box.

EpicDude86 · 11-21-09, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by donc

Something is screwed up in you quote box.

I fixed it, one person messed up a quote earlier in the thread and so each subsequent quote in that lineage of quotes was off.

Thanks though! I saw it too after the fact

Neitzluber · 11-21-09, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EpicDude86

That's not what I was trying to point out. You said we left Vietnam when the S.V. we're strong? I believe we left when Saigon was captured and the War was over...

We pulled our combat troops out after the Paris Peace Accord was signed in 1973.
We believed the South Vietnamese would be able to hold out, as their army was far superior to the North's in terms of numbers and technology.
We were wrong, however.
In 1975, North Vietnam launched a large offensive, in violation of the treaty, and the South was caught by surprise.
Their army scurried away, confused, in disastrous retreats.
We desperately went in to rescue people from Saigon in Operation Frequent Wind.
We managed to save some South Vietnamese, and now many of them live in the US.
But we lost the war.

What did we learn?

Obama didn't learn anything.
Many people haven't learned anything.

We need to create a police-state in order to win.
We should get out and let the Taliban take over.

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