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Paratrooper's Mom Begs Obama: 'End It'

This mom needs to STFU.

Why? Because she disagrees with the war?

So when did you start supporting the suppression of dissent and free speech, Jerry?
 
Why? Because she disagrees with the war?

I didn't even read enough to know her position, but thank you for filling me in.

After reading the article I'm surprised to be getting flack from you or any leftie, as I agree with her ****-or-get-off-the-pot position.

But this has nothing at all to do with her position.

Parents need to stop using their children as political pawns.

So when did you start supporting the suppression of dissent and free speech, Jerry?

January 2, 2006.
 
I speak from pesonal experience when I say that her son joined the army with the understanding that the Commander in Chief would never leave him with his ass hanging in the wind, on some foreign battlefield.

Funny, because that's exactly what George W. Bush and Dick Cheney did when they blatantly rejected the Powell Doctrine in favor of short changing the strategy for invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

They were told repeatedly by planners they needed more troops and more time to prepare for the invasion and eventual occupation. Rejected. What did they do? Went in with insufficient resources and let Paul Bremer ass rape the entire governmental infrastructure of Iraq. Our troops have been left with their asses hanging ever since then.

You like apples?
 
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I didn't even read enough to know her position, but thank you for filling me in.

After reading the article I'm surprised to be getting flack from you or any leftie, as I agree with her ****-or-get-off-the-pot position.

But this has nothing at all to do with her position.

Parents need to stop using their children as political pawns.



January 2, 2006.

Thanks for clarifying. But I disagree. Their loss was real, it hurt them deeply. The cost of these wars is not just tax dollars...it's dead sons and daughters.

In that regard, they are a very legitimate cause for making a decision to win at all costs as quickly as possible or pull out.
 
Being a mother is meaningless in this situation.
 
Being a mother is meaningless in this situation.

Why? Is she not also a citizen? Is she not an American whose family has paid a dear price for this abortion of a military expedition?
 
Why? Is she not also a citizen? Is she not an American whose family has paid a dear price for this abortion of a military expedition?

It's the way she's using her son to somehow make it appear that her voice has more inherent authority than every other citizen's that's the problem.
 
We cannot afford to fight this war, even if it were a war of necessity, we are broke, and we need our troops to come home. We are going to end up just like the soviet union, and it may just be too late as is......
 
We cannot afford to fight this war, even if it were a war of necessity, we are broke, and we need our troops to come home. We are going to end up just like the soviet union, and it may just be too late as is......

You know what would be great for our broken economy?

Universal Health Care.

Yeah, we have lots of cash laying around for that.
 
You know what would be great for our broken economy?

Universal Health Care.

Yeah, we have lots of cash laying around for that.

You'll get no argument for me, S.S....broke....medicaid.....broke....medicare.....broke.....federal budget......1.4 trillion in the hole.

We are writing checks our butts can't cash, it is time we come home, we have sacrificed enough!
 
You'll get no argument for me, S.S....broke....medicaid.....broke....medicare.....broke.....federal budget......1.4 trillion in the hole.

We are writing checks our butts can't cash, it is time we come home, we have sacrificed enough!

True that!

let's go have a drink :party
 
True that!

let's go have a drink :party

I would love to buy every returning soldier a drink when they come home, we have done our best, this is not a loss for our troops, it is a loss for our politicians.

Alll that said, I think we need our boys here, to fight a war at home!
 
You'll get no argument for me, S.S....broke....medicaid.....broke....medicare.....broke.....federal budget......1.4 trillion in the hole.

We are writing checks our butts can't cash, it is time we come home, we have sacrificed enough!

Isn't the Post Office almost broke?
 
Isn't the Post Office almost broke?

Almost, hahahaha, they are almost as broke as amtrak, the hits just keep on coming....did I mention California.:rofl
 
No, a mother shouldn't have to beg the president to send her son, who is serving on a foreign battlefield, the support he needs to win.


It seems to me if the mother really cared about her son she would insist the president bring her son home from an ill conceived war.
 
It seems to me if the mother really cared about her son she would insist the president bring her son home from an ill conceived war.

this reminds me of that lady who camped out at the end of GWB's Driveway in Texas cause of her son.

Same tragic story, different day...


And nothing seems to have been learned.
 
Why? Is she not also a citizen? Is she not an American whose family has paid a dear price for this abortion of a military expedition?

It's not that. Every citizen has a right to voice their opinion - she has a right to have an opinion, sure. Just like everyone else.

There's a very fine, delicate line in which family, friends and even spouses shouldn't cross and that is the line of command.

Take away the military-aspect of it and look at it generally as if it was any other job.
Does any parent, friend or other family member, even spouse, have any right to question your boss or other superior when it comes to the conditions of your work-place?

Generally, no.
To you, yes - but directly to them, no.

So this situation, however touching and understandable, crosses that line.

The military might be a life-and-death and reality changing career path, but aside it's nitty gritty on the battlefied it is also a regular job. Parents shouldn't step into it, hoping that their emotions or personal situations be taken into account. Even more so when considering things on such a large, international and complicated scale.

My husband's in it - and I voice my opinions about what I feel we should do and so on in an online area. However, I don't announce who I am and put my name with his face in any way. He's in the media sometimes and I am not and I never will be.
I would never violate my husband's own line of command and so forth just to voice my opinion to a higher up of his. That is not my place. in fact, that can complicate his career in the military to the point where his work-environment becomes affected by it.

No parent or spouse has that right. Giving support to your loved one or even protesting something that you don't agree with does not mean you should get up to a podium and demand action on behalf of your grown child.

Interference and complaints directly TO command FROM parents and spouses happens all the time - in all sorts of situations. It is unacceptable. Everything from demanding the return of your son from his station of duty to asking that your daughter be given leave to celebrate mother's day. None of it is acceptable.

The thought that "this is a war, his life is at stake" and that makes it ok for anyone to take such extreme measures is understandable, but out of place.

If any parent or friend, etc, whats to be involved in protesting a war or demanding action they can do it annonymously, even publicly - but they should take care to respect the chain of command. I would *at least* hope that they consider the problems it might cause for the person who is deployed.
 
this reminds me of that lady who camped out at the end of GWB's Driveway in Texas cause of her son.

Same tragic story, different day...


And nothing seems to have been learned.

Matthew Hoh seems to have learned:

"A former Marine Corps captain with combat experience in Iraq, Hoh had also served in uniform at the Pentagon, and as a civilian in Iraq and at the State Department. By July, he was the senior U.S. civilian in Zabul province, a Taliban hotbed.

But last month, in a move that has sent ripples all the way to the White House, Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency."
U.S. official resigns over Afghan war - washingtonpost.com
 
Matthew Hoh seems to have learned:

"A former Marine Corps captain with combat experience in Iraq, Hoh had also served in uniform at the Pentagon, and as a civilian in Iraq and at the State Department. By July, he was the senior U.S. civilian in Zabul province, a Taliban hotbed.

But last month, in a move that has sent ripples all the way to the White House, Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency."
U.S. official resigns over Afghan war - washingtonpost.com

Well that's one Armed Forces member who saw it and acted in a big way...Can't say much for the Public at large still...
 
Well that's one Armed Forces member who saw it and acted in a big way...Can't say much for the Public at large still...

His situation is kind of like a mobius of crap.
Officer's morale is low, he can no longer continue, and in leaving he takes the waning morale of his soldiers with him, only - they can't just resign like he did. They're a little more stuck than he is (comes with the territory of being at the bottom of the chain).

I respect Hoh's views, but I feel he stabbed his soldiers in the back because he felt stabbed in the back. How does that make sense? His men depended on him as much as he depended on the government ... and he bailed.

Holes in the floor, holes in the ceiling.
 
His situation is kind of like a mobius of crap.
Officer's morale is low, he can no longer continue, and in leaving he takes the waning morale of his soldiers with him, only - they can't just resign like he did. They're a little more stuck than he is (comes with the territory of being at the bottom of the chain).

I respect Hoh's views, but I feel he stabbed his soldiers in the back because he felt stabbed in the back. How does that make sense? His men depended on him as much as he depended on the government ... and he bailed.

Holes in the floor, holes in the ceiling.

I applaud men of conscience who stand up for what's right. My son left the Air Force after 13 years due to our treatment of innocent civilians in Desert Storm. I can think of no better role models for our youth than speaking truth to power.
 
Well unless those people in that survey are there fighting the fight, I don't care what their Armchair General opinion is.

They are the ones with the power to select who sets foreign policy. I do not underestimate them. They are the ones that brought an end to the Vietnam war and are bringing the Iraq war to an end.
 
I applaud men of conscience who stand up for what's right. My son left the Air Force after 13 years due to our treatment of innocent civilians in Desert Storm. I can think of no better role models for our youth than speaking truth to power.

My husband's dealt with a lot of issues but he'd never dare abandon the soldiers who DO look up to him and depend on him for support.

Not everyone has the means to put aside the only career path they've ever walked down to start a new life - especially in this failing economy. If someone's employed in the military, has little to no alternative career experience, and wants out - with 10.8% unemployment are they even going ot be able to find a job to support their familiy?

That's just one reason why many stay in even if they don't want to.

I respect those who follow their own path - but when they're officers and others there's more ot things than just their feelings at stake.

They are the ones with the power to select who sets foreign policy. I do not underestimate them. They are the ones that brought an end to the Vietnam war and are bringing the Iraq war to an end.

The armchair generals were too busy getting doped up in Vietnam and spitting on our soldiers or attending Woodstock to do anything that made an impact on our country.

They, also, make up the vast number of Americans who don't vote.

(That's what "Armchair General" refers to, anyway)
 
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