Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

Kandahar · 10-18-09, 02:02 PM

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iranian commanders assassinated

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Several top commanders in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards have been killed in a suicide bombing in the volatile south-east of the country.

Iranian state television said 31 people died in the attack, in the Pishin region of Sistan-Baluchistan, and more than 25 were injured.

Shia and Sunni tribal leaders were also killed. A Sunni resistance group, Jundullah, said they carried it out.

bhkad · 10-18-09, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kandahar

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iranian commanders assassinated

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"We consider the recent terrorist attack to be the result of US action. This is a sign of America's animosity against our country," Mr Larijani said, quoted by AFP.

"Mr Obama has said he will extend his hand towards Iran, but with this terrorist action he has burned his hand," he said, referring to US President Barack Obama.

The US condemned the attack, with a state department spokesman adding: "Reports of alleged US involvement are completely false."

Earlier reports on Iranian TV quoted what it called "informed sources" as saying that Britain was directly involved.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: "The British government condemns the terrorist attack... and the sad loss of life which it caused."

The Iranian government has previously accused both countries of supporting the militants.

rogerredy · 10-18-09, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

From the link.

I hope the US is involved, the sooner the fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers that is iran is wiped off the face of the earth the better.

The IRI is a tumor, a cancer in the heart of the middle east that must be destroyed.

Captain America · 10-18-09, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerredy

I hope the US is involved, the sooner the fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers that is iran is wiped off the face of the earth the better.

The IRI is a tumor, a cancer in the heart of the middle east that must be destroyed.

Welcome to DebatePolitics.

I think I'm gonna like this guy.

Elena · 10-18-09, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerredy

I hope the US is involved, the sooner the fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers that is iran is wiped off the face of the earth the better.

The IRI is a tumor, a cancer in the heart of the middle east that must be destroyed.

O dear...

TacticalEvilDan · 10-18-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerredy

I hope the US is involved, the sooner the fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers that is iran is wiped off the face of the earth the better.

The IRI is a tumor, a cancer in the heart of the middle east that must be destroyed.

I hope we're not involved.

I'm getting sick and tired of the United States being the driving force behind coups, resistance groups and nation-building exercises that ultimately blow up in our faces.

TED,
Reminding you all that the Unites States is directly responsible for the state of Iran's government, which used to be the kind of democracy we claim we love.

reefedjib · 10-18-09, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerredy

I hope the US is involved, the sooner the fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers that is iran is wiped off the face of the earth the better.

The IRI is a tumor, a cancer in the heart of the middle east that must be destroyed.

I hope the US is involved, as it would mean Obama is serious about regime change. Between terrorist attacks on Republican Guard commanders and Qom clerics opposing the Ayatollah, things may continue to deteriorate for the government of Iran.

TacticalEvilDan · 10-18-09, 05:08 PM

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I hope the US is involved, as it would mean Obama is serious about regime change. Between terrorist attacks on Republican Guard commanders and Qom clerics opposing the Ayatollah, things may continue to deteriorate for the government of Iran.

Iran's government is what it is because of our prior interference.

reefedjib · 10-18-09, 05:11 PM

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Iran's government is what it is because of our prior interference.

So, what? What's your point as it applies to now? Just like our support for Saddam's regime during the Iraq-Iran war, those were different eras. 1953 we were at war with the Soviets along the periphery of their empire. THus our actions in Iran. We're too dynamic to the changing state of the world to hold a consistent policy.

Agnapostate · 10-18-09, 05:14 PM

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So, what? What's your point as it applies to now? Just like our support for Saddam's regime during the Iraq-Iran war, those were different eras. 1953 we were at war with the Soviets along the periphery of their empire. THus our actions in Iran. We're too dynamic to the changing state of the world to hold a consistent policy.

As I said in the other thread, interest in halting Soviet intrusion did indeed exist, but so do declassified CIA documents that indicate that warnings of Soviet intrusions supported by Iran's pro-Soviet Tudah were largely inaccurate and functioned as a smokescreen, as later admitted by Dean Acheson.

1952 CIA coup in Iran, by ERVAND ABRAHAMIAN

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Throughout the crisis, the “communist danger” was more of a rhetorical device than a real issue — i.e., it was part of the cold-war discourse. The British and American governments knew Mossadeq was as distrustful of the Soviet Union as of the West. In fact, they often complained to each other about his “neutralism.” They knew perfectly well that the so-called “fellow-travelers” were staunch nationalists (after the coup some of them obtained refuge in the United States). They also knew that the Tudeh, even though the largest political organization, was in no position to seize power (F0 371/Persia 1952/ 98597; FO 371/Persia 1953/104573; Declassified Documents/1981/CIA/ Doc 276). Despite 20,000 members and 110,000 sympathizers, the Tudeh was no match for the armed tribes and the 129,000-man military. What is more, the British and Americans had enough inside information to be confident that the party had no plans to initiate armed insurrection. At the beginning of the crisis when the Truman administration was under the impression a compromise was possible, Acheson had stressed the communist danger and warned if Mossadeq was not helped the Tudeh would take over (FO 371/Persia 1051/1530). The Foreign Office had retorted that the Tudeh was no real threat (FO 371/ Persia 1952/98608). But, in August 1953, when the Foreign Office echoed the Eisenhower administration’s claim that the Tudeh was about to take over, Acheson now retorted that there was no such communist danger (Roosevelt, 1979, 88). Acheson was honest enough to admit that the issue of the Tudeh was a smokescreen.

I would recommend adopting a somewhat more skeptical perspective of this matter, since merely assuming that the U.S. administration of the time had some benevolent interest in preventing Soviet intrusion in the region is superficially and unduly optimistic, especially considering Mossadeq's hostility toward all varieties of foreign intervention.

But I wouldn't use a possessive pronoun to refer to the actions of a political administration that most Americans are genuinely unaware of, as that would imply some degree of culpability for the consequences of that anti-democratic action to people who don't deserve it.

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