Elena

1. Bollox!

2. And now imagine: you are sitting with your family on a couch, suddenly the door bursts open and some dude from the other side of the town stomps in, beats ten shades of cr*p out of you, takes your sofa and f*cks your wife; and when you try to protest, tells you to shut up and appreciate that he is doing it for your own good, and if you don't like it then you are nothing but an ungrateful pig.

3. I didn't say you already control it; I said you are doing everything within US power to control it. Ask yourself Why?

4. I grew up in the USSR, ended up living in Ukraine and now British citizen. Does it matter?

Elena

"elected" US glove puppet government.

Elena

It is premature to speculate of the US involvement, but this involvement is very probable.

Nicked it off another forum
http://www.ciponline.org/asia/report..._the_union.pdf

The Pakistanis also suspect Iran of supporting Baluch activists in order to counter a
Pakistan-U.S. plot to make Baluchistan a rear base in a future offensive against Tehran.29 Iran, which
is keen on becoming the preferred outlet to the sea for Central Asia at Pakistan’s expense, has built
its own port at Chah Bahar (recently renamed Bandar Beheshti) with Indian assistance.30
Iranian involvement is unlikely. Tehran has denied any involvement in the troubles in
Baluchistan, claiming that it is not hostile to the Gwadar project.31 If it were to get involved in the
Baluch imbroglio, it would probably not be in opposition to Pakistan and certainly not because of its
rivalry with Pakistan over providing an outlet to the sea for Central Asia. Iran and Pakistan have a
common interest in exporting Iranian gas to India, and an insurrection in Baluchistan would only
harm their chances of building a gas pipeline through the province.32 Iran also has reason to worry
about Baluchistan’s claims to its border regions. In fact, Tehran sent helicopters to Islamabad
between 1973 and 1977 to help it put down the Baluch insurrection.
Finally, the Baluch as well as the Pakistanis see the United States as a potential
troublemaker. Some Pakistanis suspect that Washington would like to use Baluchistan as a rear
base for an attack on Iran and would also like to get China out of the region.33 They do not make
clear which side the Americans are on: whether they are opposing the Baluch nationalists because
they are supported by Iran or whether they are supporting the Baluch because they are hostile to the
Chinese. Other Pakistanis see a continuation of the “Great Power game” being played in Central Asia
since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Proponents of this view believe that the United States, in
competition with China and Iran, would like to control the oil supply lines from the Middle East and
Central Asia and would also like to use its Greater Middle East initiative to dismantle the major
Muslim states and redefine borders in the region.34 In contrast, some Baluch nationalists charge the
United States with conspiring with the Pakistan government to put an end to Baluch claims.
So far nobody has been able to prove any of these accusations.

Elena

That cop killed a man for strolling in front of him. When shall we expect the US military might to free and democratise us?

reefedjib

BALLS!!

Bad analogy in this case. The man was beating and torturing his wife, killed a couple of their kids, was mixing explosives in the bathtub, and had invited some nasty characters over to share dinner. When we went to the door, we knocked for 12 years and gave him an ultimatim. When we entered we killed his brother who was trying to kill us and found him in a **** hole, hiding. We freed his wife and gave her medical care and got her enrolled in university. The kids are thriving with their own stalls in the market selling cellphones and computers.

We aren't.


Please don't be defensive. It doesn't matter to this conversation, I was just curious. Sounds like you got a range of experiences.

Elena

1. So you burst in, killed his remaining kids, blew his wife's legs off and robbed him in a process? Nice.

2. Take a map. No, not this one

Take a real map, and find there Caspian Sea. Now, find on a map countries:
1) Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Remember how close Pakistan came to becoming the next US target? Well, that's because of this

and the fact that while the US was busy spreading democracy along the pipeline in Afghanistan, China made itself comfortable on the othe end of that pipeline, in Pakistan. Your country doesn't like it...

2) Another US pipeline NABUCCO

red on a map, but do you see what countries suppose to feed it? Azerbaijan (US owes it already) and Iran, with Georgia (remember war in Ossetia?) providing a supporting line. Russia already offered to buy ALL Azerbaijani gas at $350. The chances are it will get it. The US simply can't let Iran slip, and since it can't pay, it must have it by force. Unless of course the US would not be able to take on yet another war...

3) Yet another US pipeline AMBO that was the reason behind a coloured revolution in Yugoslavia, and the US involvement in a war against Serbia and the US current attempts to set up a shop in Ukrainian Crimea.



But what is the most interesting is that all those pipelines were EU desperate attempts to free itself not only from Russia, but from the US when it comes to EU energy sources and routes. The US simply can't allow it to happen! Your power elites don't want their vassals to break free!

reefedjib

Once again, not the case.

Great map! You forgot Africa, though.

So what's your point? None of this is news. All of those situations are where the US is extending a security guarantee - my original point.

The EU was doing nothing to guarantee security for those pipelines.

Elena

Forget Africa! In the words of your Great Pole, -- who controls Euroasia, controls Africa. Right now the US is fighting to control its increasingly rebellious vassals -- Europe, and stubborn in their opposition to democratic spreading Asians.

My point is this: your country, your country's power clans to be precise, are setting the whole world on fire, waging wars, killing and maiming in the name of their greed (not freedom, or democracy, or human rights). Their greed is not to be mistaken for the US interests since, as their profits rise, your average Joe has to foot the bill. You can continue to call your country a custodian of world's security, but the world on whom this "security" was bestowed see your country as a duplicitous bully.

apdst

You just described how America's enemies do business.

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Red_Dave

Were the elections not adequate in your view?