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Being trite appears to be one of your strong suits.

Yes they were, the NY Times even had their own little cheer leader; then they decided the war might provide too much support for the “evil” Bush and they fired the Bush administration cheer leader they had on staff and began their campaign of ignorance against the Iraq war and the Bush administration.

I would guess that when Americans have had enough of the current administrations totalitarian tactics, lies, distortions and criminally negligent spending, they will turn on Obama as well.

I see that you are missing the point of the thread, it isn’t about a media outlet declaring war on an administration, it is about the administration declaring war on a free speech media outlet.

I am hardly surprised that you cannot distinguish the difference however based on your hyperbolic arguments.

This is an opinion expressed in a vacuum of the facts or reality. Your efforts to select just those issues that fit your narrow myopic views notwithstanding, ANY open debate regardless of the substance is a GOOD thing in a Republic and with that debate and dialogue one can get the facts and make a GOOD decision with GOOD policy.

Regarding the “death panel” topic, what I find most amusing is the notion that they wont make those decisions. Here is a Liberal advisor to the President and Democrats telling the truth; something this administration doesn’t like:


Robert in his own words states: “we’re going to let you die” and the audience claps.

If you polled me, I would state we need healthcare reform also; however, I have to ask the question, why is it that Liberal Democrats think that the ONLY option for reform requires a massive expansion of the Federal Bureaucracy and corresponding massive addition to the deficits and National Debt?

Why is it that Liberals and Liberal Democrats feel the need to demagogue insurance companies who employ many thousands of Americans and provide a very necessary service?

Insurance companies can only DROP people with pre-existing conditions if the LIED on their applications when they obtained the insurance. Insurance companies can CHOOSE to not cover individuals with pre-existing conditions for the simple reason that they are not charities but for profit organizations.

How much money do you think it will cost the Government to provide care for Americans with “pre-existing” conditions and how do you think they are going to pay for it?

The notion that these are scams is absurd in the extreme. These are REAL issues and conditions. I just want to know how you think that trying to destroy an industry with demagoguery is moving the debate forward in an honest or positive way.


If you want to have a debate about Insurance companies, you should start a new thread, it has nothing to do with this topic does it?

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Really, please show with credible sources where the Bush administration engaged in a campaign to attack news organizations.

Goobieman

So what?
Does that mean it is somehow wrong to fact chack Dunn?

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niftydrifty

no, LOL, it does not mean something that I didn't say and have already mentioned was fine to do.

so what, if Fox News is clearly biased and exercises a double standard? your question says it all.

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Goobieman

OK, so then where is the controversy?

FNC fact checked, and The Obama's administration took offense, leading them to blacklist FNC.

Do you think it was proper to blacklist FNC for doing its job?

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PogueMoran

Lets see Brian Wilson is a reporter who was pushing the Kevin Jennings smear even after the network acknowledged it was false. Bill Hemmer also pushed the smear.

As shown previously by another member Chris Wallace edited an interview to smear Duckworth on the supposed Death Books.

Brit Hume tried to make a link to Obama being a muslim back in 2007.

Thats just to name a few. So are you saying that opinion shows that state things emphatically as being true but don't state that its just their opinion is totally okay with you?

Gibberish

Your powers of observations are outstanding.



Right back at ya.


Of course they do, as do the Conservatives against anything and everything against their political beliefs. Partisanship isn't unique to one political spectrum.

I have specifically stated this is a partisan issue. Why would I need to do that?


With these types of continued nonsensical and generic responses from you I have to assume you are not reading any of my posts. If you had you would have read where I stated this was specifically a partisan issue by the White House and that ALL news agencies have a political agenda.



You really need to stop making up lies and distortions to try and make yourself feel better. As stated above everything you have tried to attack me on is a complete fabrication created by you in your own little world and holds no truth in reality.

If you are going to attack me or my opinions at least do it with some dignity and don't try to present my stance in a complete 180 of reality.

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Goobieman

I'm sorry -- did you answer my original question?
Or are you just avoiding it...?

You're going to have to do better than paraphrase from memory for any of this to mean anything.

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PogueMoran

Well you wanted to deal in bull**** so I thought I'd give you a refund.


Who was this supposed one cheerleader they had on staff? Why exactly was this person fired again? Do you have proof of this being the reason or is this just your personal opinion?

What "totalitarian tactics, lies distortions"? Again you're running on opinion. If you're going to call something totalitarian at least define it and show how it fits the definition of the word.



Wasn't that your point? How is ignoring fox news declaring war on them? If they wanted to do that they'd use the government to shut down their outlet completely. So now you're just being over the top emotional. You seemed to have no problem when the previous administration went after NBC and the NY Times.

I can tell the difference apparently you can't which is why we're having this discussion. Which of my statements are hyperbolic?

Try not to use big words that you might confuse yourself with. What I've posted is in regards to reality. You had no qualms when the prior administration did the same thing and Fox news was cheering them on but now that the shoe is on the other foot "oh noes poor fox". Debate hasn't been stifled Fox news is still allowed to make any ridiculous statements it sees fit just as much as the other networks are. How is fox being stifled? Their owner and president made it clear that Fox is an arm dedicated to attacking the left, democrats and anyone else who isn't to the right. That's what happens when you have a political operative running a "news" outlet.

What I find most amusing is that you ignore that this is currently happening. People already get cut off by their insurer. Do yourself a favor look at your health plan how often are you allowed to visit your doctor? How much in prescriptions are you allowed? What's your yearly limit? What's your lifetime limit? You think any adviser to Obama is a liberal TD

Not in his own words. Did you not listen to the set up? He said "This is what a person would say who was running for president but didn't want to be president. Things they should say but wouldn't."

And yet what is not truthful here? Our current insurance system is set up to avoid the sick. Its a for profit system sick people cost money healthy people don't. I know this logic escapes you.

Not all liberals are democrats and not all democrats are liberal. Again you make the mistake of claiming such.

Very necessary? Except for someone like Cigna who just started cutting medical insurance for their own employees while the CEO makes 30 million a year. I would have a bit more compassion for them if I wasn't always hearing about how Cigna, or Aetna or Blue Cross ****ed someone out of their own insurance after years of paying premiums. How Healthnet got busted for holding contests for their employees of how many patients they could cut from their roles.

That's bull**** and you know it. That's why several of those companies have gotten sued and fined because they were finding the most spurious reasons to drop people. Pregnancy counts as pre-existing conditions, acne does, c sections do. They keep adding more and more pre-existing conditions to the list. You know pregnancy is a choice and isn't covered by many insurance companies?

How much money do you think it costs for the government or insurance companies to pick up the tab when those people wait until the last minute and end up going to the ER?

I didn't know providing competition is considered destroying the industry? I thought the free market was good and building trusts are bad? You do know the health insurance industry is exempt from trusts many control entire markets individually and drive up premiums.



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