Physicians speak out on health care bill

celticlord · 08-07-09, 11:25 AM

Doctors opposing health care bill jam town hall meeting | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

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“The bottom line is that doctors don't want socialized medicine — another flawed health care system like Medicare. They don't believe it will lower the costs or improve quality,” Brady said. “Medicare is already going bankrupt and not quality care. It also shifts medical costs onto other paying customers. It needs to be fixed first.”

Seems like doctors around here do not want to see another broken system foisted on them.

Laila · 08-07-09, 11:26 AM

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They don't believe it will lower the costs or improve quality

It won't lower costs that is for sure.

It'll need increased public spending and if it is 90 billion in UK with a population of 65 million. It'll go into a heck lot more for a country with 300 million.

If doctors do not support it, no way will NHS go through in US. You need them on side.

stekim · 08-07-09, 11:36 AM

It's kind of hard to support or not support a bill that hasn't even left commitee, has not been made public, and hasn't come up for a vote.

celticlord · 08-07-09, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by stekim

It's kind of hard to support or not support a bill that hasn't even left commitee, has not been made public, and hasn't come up for a vote.

HAS NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC????????

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

That's not making it public?

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10464/hr3200.pdf

That's not making it public?

House Committee passes HR3200 - America's Affordable Health Choices Act | Democracy for New Hampshire

HR3200 has not left committee?

stekim · 08-07-09, 11:53 AM

I stand corrected!

Reverend_Hellh0und · 08-07-09, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by stekim

I stand corrected!

Don't fret, Obama hasn't read it either!

stekim · 08-07-09, 11:58 AM

And I have no plans on reading it! Because it will likely change numerous times before a final version is passed by both chambers.

celticlord · 08-07-09, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stekim

And I have no plans on reading it! Because it will likely change numerous times before a final version is passed by both chambers.

This is how the lunatic left proposes to have new ideas. By deliberate and willful and even blind ignorance.

stekim · 08-07-09, 12:16 PM

Left? Me? What the hell are you talking about? I'll read the synopsis of the final bill. No need to read the initial bill. That's not what is likely to pass. I have better things to do than read a bill that is not going to become law. Plus, what do you think I'm going to do about it? My Senators and Congressman are voting against. My work here is done.

TakeItBack · 08-07-09, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stekim

And I have no plans on reading it! Because it will likely change numerous times before a final version is passed by both chambers.

Here's the Cliff's Notes version for ya. Part 1

“Pg 22 of the Health Care Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123- THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 – The “Health Choices Commissioner” will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152- HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Pg 53- Severability (KEY GEM)

“If any provision of the Act, or any application of such provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of the provisions of this Act and the application of the provision to any other person or circumstance shall not be affected.”

Pg 58 – Govt will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 lines 21-24- Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 – Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 – Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7- Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example: Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals. for Govt HC plan.

PG 85 Line 7 – Specs of Benefit Levels For Plans. #AARP members- Your Health care WILL be rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18- Medicaid-Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

pg 124 lines 24-25 No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16- RE: Doctors- The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll $400k & above who doesn’t provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

PG 150 Lines 9-13- Biz w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn’t provide pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 -Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records

PG 203 Line 14-15- “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it actualy says that.

Pg 239 Line 14-24-Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor will be affected. Expendable.

Pg 241 Line 6-8- Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally sets the value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131-Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141- Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

PG 272 SEC. 1145- TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151- The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems “preventable re-admissions.”

Pg 298 Lines 9-11- Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission? Govt will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20- OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

pg 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg335 Lines 16-25, Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Pg 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! WTF. My sister has downs syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191- Govt creates more bureaucracy – “Telehealth Advisory Committee.” Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates “Advanced Care Planning Consultations.”

PG 425 the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier.

Pg 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

PG 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9: An “advanced care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12: “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15- The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

Pg 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.”

08-07-09, 11:36 AM	#3
stekim Walk with me in hell. Join Date: Jun 2009 Last Seen: 09-10-09 01:12 PM Location: Atlanta Posts: 847 Thanks: 23 Thanked 351 Times in 211 Posts Lean: Libertarian Gender:	Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill It's kind of hard to support or not support a bill that hasn't even left commitee, has not been made public, and hasn't come up for a vote.
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08-07-09, 11:53 AM	#5
stekim Walk with me in hell. Join Date: Jun 2009 Last Seen: 09-10-09 01:12 PM Location: Atlanta Posts: 847 Thanks: 23 Thanked 351 Times in 211 Posts Lean: Libertarian Gender:	Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill I stand corrected!
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08-07-09, 11:58 AM	#7
stekim Walk with me in hell. Join Date: Jun 2009 Last Seen: 09-10-09 01:12 PM Location: Atlanta Posts: 847 Thanks: 23 Thanked 351 Times in 211 Posts Lean: Libertarian Gender:	Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill And I have no plans on reading it! Because it will likely change numerous times before a final version is passed by both chambers.
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08-07-09, 12:16 PM	#9
stekim Walk with me in hell. Join Date: Jun 2009 Last Seen: 09-10-09 01:12 PM Location: Atlanta Posts: 847 Thanks: 23 Thanked 351 Times in 211 Posts Lean: Libertarian Gender:	Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill Left? Me? What the hell are you talking about? I'll read the synopsis of the final bill. No need to read the initial bill. That's not what is likely to pass. I have better things to do than read a bill that is not going to become law. Plus, what do you think I'm going to do about it? My Senators and Congressman are voting against. My work here is done.
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