Physicians speak out on health care bill

DarkWizard12 · 08-08-09, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

It is? How so?

You are claiming the UK system first of all is expensive.. compared to the US system it is dirt cheap and yet covers everyone.

Also, you seem (correct me if I am wrong) to think that the UK system of healthcare has risen dramatically in cost or something over the last few years to decades. Compared to what? If we compare the cost rise in the UK system and the US system, I would bet quite a bit that the US system has risen in costs by a considerable margin higher than the UK system.

Go to WHO's website and there statistical information.. it is quite informative.

In 2001 the UK used 2022 dollars per capita.
In 2006 the UK used 2784 dollars per capita.

That is a 762 increase over 5 years. Yes quite a lot but then again.

In 2001 the US used 4915 dollars per capita
In 2006 the US used 6714 dollars per capita

That is a 1799 increase over 5 years.

And you are claiming that a UHC system is some how more expensive for society because it adds to the public budget????

As for your comment about having the doctors on the side of a UHC system.. well depends on the doctor. I bet you could find plenty of doctors that are not greed motivated and for a UHC system, as well as the opposite.

Well, you can't really compare the UK to US. UK has UHC and we don't, yet we magically spend more on Healthcare than the UK does. Which begs the question: Where is that money going? Cuz it sure as hell ain't going in my wallet.

Kal'Stang · 08-08-09, 11:47 PM

Comparing the UK UHCP to the US is idiotic. Even when going by per capita. Just look at the population difference. It is far easier to take care of 1 or 2 people than it is to take care of 30-40 people. Get my drift? There is also a difference in how healthy a lifestyle one has when compared to the other.

PeteEU · 08-09-09, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

Comparing the UK UHCP to the US is idiotic. Even when going by per capita. Just look at the population difference. It is far easier to take care of 1 or 2 people than it is to take care of 30-40 people. Get my drift? There is also a difference in how healthy a lifestyle one has when compared to the other.

This has got to be the lamest excuse ever. You are seriously saying that because the US has more people, then you cant compare the 2 countries..

well that is why we have per capita comparison.. it eliminates the population issue....

But yes, there is a difference in lifestyle, that one is correct. But considering that the UK looks more like the US in lifestyle, than any European country then well.... Plus if you use this excuse then you will have to use the same excuse with in the US, and thereby saying we cant do any statistics for the US, state by state, because the New Yorkers eat different than those in New Orleans...

PeteEU · 08-09-09, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

Well, you can't really compare the UK to US. UK has UHC and we don't, yet we magically spend more on Healthcare than the UK does. Which begs the question: Where is that money going? Cuz it sure as hell ain't going in my wallet.

Why cant you compare them!?!?!

All it compares is amount of money spent per person on healthcare in said countries....

It is like comparing an orange grown in California with one from Florida.. it is an orange and there are costs involved, but are you saying that you cant compare them for some reason?

Vader · 08-09-09, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TakeItBack

Here's the Cliff's Notes version for ya. Part 1

“Pg 22 of the Health Care Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123- THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 – The “Health Choices Commissioner” will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152- HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

The four are enough to get the bill killed.

HC for illegal aliens is unacceptable when paid for by American tax dollars. If they're here on a visa, that is one thing, if they came across illegally, that is quite another.

NO HEALTH CARE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS!

Realist1 · 08-09-09, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by celticlord

Doctors opposing health care bill jam town hall meeting | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Seems like doctors around here do not want to see another broken system foisted on them.

Here's Rep. Dixon yelling at a Doctor from his own District,,,that 'Dared" to ask him about Healthcare...

Hot Air Blog Archive Video: Democrat screams at constituent for asking tough question on health care

TakeItBack · 08-10-09, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX]

1) You prove my point. 17% of doctors is more representative of doctors in this nation as a whole than a couple of doctors in a town hall meeting.

2) I was replying to his quote where he said doctors wages were artificially inflated. I was proposing bringing them back down to "where they should be" whatever that means. In addition, I said relatively poorer and they won't lower the average wealth of doctors. I'm not asking to take money away from doctors disproportionately. In fact, I don't think taking money away from doctors via a universalized health care system will make a noticeable difference in the wealth of doctors. Actually I'm applying to medical school this year.

You are making a huge assumption, here. Just because people share a membership in an organization does not mean they all share a single opinion. AARP, for example, officially endorses HR 3200 in spite of the vast majority of its members screaming about what a dangerous rag the bill is from the rooftops.

Harshaw · 08-10-09, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stekim

It's kind of hard to support or not support a bill that hasn't even left commitee, has not been made public, and hasn't come up for a vote.

As long as you can read the text of a bill -- as you can -- why do you have to wait for anything else to criticize or support it?

Isn't waiting for it to "come up for a vote" just a tad too late?

Harshaw · 08-10-09, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TakeItBack

'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

Neither of those is a legitimate quote.

Cassandra · 08-10-09, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vader

NO HEALTH CARE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS!

Currently, do we allow illegal aliens to die?! Would you prefer that we do?

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