Physicians speak out on health care bill

jujuman13 · 08-07-09, 07:35 PM

I thank all those who have laid out in detail what President Obama and his Democratic cohorts have in mind for this so called 'Health Bill'.

Personally I would have thought the more sensible way to would be to offer unilateral health care to the legal youth of the USA initially.

Then after a suitable length of time has passed (to fine tune the system) the rest of the legal population could also be included.

Smoke[MaxX] · 08-08-09, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

So within a month, a rather profound organization has done a 180 on a very high-profile issue,...not to be a spoil sport but don't you find that a little weird?

Spoil sport? Please. I just asked where the AMA stood in relation to the issue at present. You showed how they felt in the past. I showed how they feel now. I apologize for being the spoil sport. By the way, I forgot the AMA doesn't have the right to change its mind.

Harry Guerrilla · 08-08-09, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX]

Anybody mind telling me what the AMA (you know, that group that represents a vast majority of physicians) feels about a national health care system? Thanks.

Why does it matter if the AMA supports this or not?

The AMA was part of the problem before the house bill was ever drawn up.
They support limiting the licensing of doctors which artificially raises doctors salaries.

Smoke[MaxX] · 08-08-09, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla

Why does it matter if the AMA supports this or not?

The AMA was part of the problem before the house bill was ever drawn up.
They support limiting the licensing of doctors which artificially raises doctors salaries.

You read the OP? Celticlord is trying to say that a few doctor represents the whole group. The AMA is more representative of doctors than a couple of doctors in a town hall meeting.

In addition, I don't understand your position. They artificially raise doctors salaries so they support doctors and doctors like them? How does that affect what I said? In addition, they're not supporting legislation that'll (according to public opinion) lower the average wealth of doctors in the country. Shouldn't that satisfy both Democrats and Republicans? Democrats because the rich get poorer (relatively) and Republicans because doctors' salaries are no longer artificially inflated.

Blackdog · 08-08-09, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sam_w

On the other hand.....AMA has endorsed reform. Got that folks? The American Medical Association has endorsed reform.

American Medical Association

The majority of Americans want reform. This has nothing to do with the bloated monstrosity Obama it trying to push. I am certain the AMA also knows this, which is why they said "reform" and not the HCB.

PeteEU · 08-08-09, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Laila

It won't lower costs that is for sure.

It'll need increased public spending and if it is 90 billion in UK with a population of 65 million. It'll go into a heck lot more for a country with 300 million.

If doctors do not support it, no way will NHS go through in US. You need them on side.

Eh, you make zero sense. Do you even know how much more American's pay for their system when compared to other similar nations?..

The UK spends 1675 dollars per captia on healthcare. The US uses 4271 dollars per captia.... granted I had to be fast so these are only 2002 numbers... but dont think for a second that the US numbers have gone down since.. I have seen a number that in 2005 the US number had jumped to 6000 dollars. Point is the following..

So you are saying that if the US went to the UK version (which is the dark sheep of UHC in western Europe thanks to Thatchers policies) then those costs would rise to the UK level.. aka fall by over half?

And of course these Physicians are against the health care bill.. they are earning top dollar and can pretty much charge whatever they want in the current bill. For them it is not about the patient but about how much money they can get.. so go figure they are against cutting costs and controlling how much is spent on healthcare... it would hurt their bottom line!..

Laila · 08-08-09, 08:10 AM

2002 is where it rose.

And has been rising ever since, it is currently stands at around 90 billion roughly and seeing i do not trust the Govt. to give us the truth. The cost is probably much much higher but they are just hiding the true costs.

And why shouldn't they be paid what they are worth?
And i may dislike Thatcher on some issues but the more i see of this disgusting Labour party, the more i miss her.

American · 08-08-09, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Don't fret, Obama hasn't read it either!

He doesn't give a **** about healthcare, he only cares about the power it will give him.

American · 08-08-09, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Eh, you make zero sense. Do you even know how much more American's pay for their system when compared to other similar nations?..

The UK spends 1675 dollars per captia on healthcare. The US uses 4271 dollars per captia.... granted I had to be fast so these are only 2002 numbers... but dont think for a second that the US numbers have gone down since.. I have seen a number that in 2005 the US number had jumped to 6000 dollars. Point is the following..

So you are saying that if the US went to the UK version (which is the dark sheep of UHC in western Europe thanks to Thatchers policies) then those costs would rise to the UK level.. aka fall by over half?

And of course these Physicians are against the health care bill.. they are earning top dollar and can pretty much charge whatever they want in the current bill. For them it is not about the patient but about how much money they can get.. so go figure they are against cutting costs and controlling how much is spent on healthcare... it would hurt their bottom line!..

We have a constitution, and it doesn't say anything about controlling healthcare or providing it.

PeteEU · 08-08-09, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by American

We have a constitution, and it doesn't say anything about controlling healthcare or providing it.

Nore does it any constitution that I know off.. your point being?

08-07-09, 07:35 PM	#21
jujuman13 Guru Join Date: Jun 2006 Last Seen: Today 12:56 AM Posts: 2,558 Thanks: 909 Thanked 291 Times in 191 Posts Lean: Independent Gender:	Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill I thank all those who have laid out in detail what President Obama and his Democratic cohorts have in mind for this so called 'Health Bill'. Personally I would have thought the more sensible way to would be to offer unilateral health care to the legal youth of the USA initially. Then after a suitable length of time has passed (to fine tune the system) the rest of the legal population could also be included.

08-08-09, 08:10 AM	#27
Laila She Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Last Seen: Today 10:26 AM Location: London Posts: 7,727 Thanks: 2,175 Thanked 2,045 Times in 1,348 Posts Lean: Liberal Gender:	Re: Physicians speak out on health care bill 2002 is where it rose. And has been rising ever since, it is currently stands at around 90 billion roughly and seeing i do not trust the Govt. to give us the truth. The cost is probably much much higher but they are just hiding the true costs. And why shouldn't they be paid what they are worth? And i may dislike Thatcher on some issues but the more i see of this disgusting Labour party, the more i miss her.
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