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Obama 'Joker' Poster Causing a Stir in L.A.

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I think the Obama 'Joker' poster is just as stupid as all of the anti-Bush posters that were going around when he was President. It's political propaganda that is bound to happen when there are people out there who don't agree with what the President is doing. The notion that this particular poster is somehow "dangerous" is completely ridiculous. Mocking leaders and politicians with propaganda posters/stickers is certainly nothing new or groundbreaking. Get used to it.
 
formerroadie said:
I think it's sort of funny that the person who posted it isn't even aware what socialism is nor what the motives of the joker were. The cartoon doesn't even make sense given the elements portrayed in it. Like many on the right, the person didn't care to think to much about what they were doing. Typical. Let it hang there and mock those who back it. Works for me.
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It doesn't really matter what the picture is, all they have to do is put something with Obama in it with the words "Socialist" or "Socialism" and some on the right do the pat on the back circle jerk about it even though they have no idea what a socialist really is.

It's pathetic, but hey, look who's cheering it on and you can see how childish they really are.
 
Goobieman said:
Examples?
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Caesar did it in Rome when he returned from Gaul.

Except for the health care, finance/banking and auto industries.
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Your health care and banking systems aren't nationalised. Not permanently. Our health industry is. Being a majority shareholder in a bank and buying their debt does not equate to nationalisation.

With the difference being...?
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As wealth increases, taxes increase; progressive taxation. In socialism all wealth is equal, the monetary supply is spread in proportion. There is no progression is socialism. We are all equal.

At least I think that's the principles. Socialists are very fickle.
 
Richard Nixon said:
Caesar did it in Rome when he returned from Gaul.
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My bad, I thought you were referring to here in the US.
Can you provide any examples of it here?

Your health care and banking systems aren't nationalised. Not permanently.
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At this exact moment. They have taken great strides in that direction, upon actions initidated by The Obama.

As wealth increases, taxes increase; progressive taxation. In socialism all wealth is equal, the monetary supply is spread in proportion.
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OK, so you were speaking in theory, not in reality.
 
TheNextEra said:
It doesn't really matter what the picture is, all they have to do is put something with Obama in it with the words "Socialist" or "Socialism" and some on the right do the pat on the back circle jerk about it even though they have no idea what a socialist really is.

It's pathetic, but hey, look who's cheering it on and you can see how childish they really are.
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And it didn't really matter if Bush imposed on Hitler made any sense or not either. The usual suspects around here did the whole pat on the back and circle jerk having no idea what Nazism really was. :shrug:
 
jallman said:
And it didn't really matter if Bush imposed on Hitler made any sense or not either. The usual suspects around here did the whole pat on the back and circle jerk having no idea what Nazism really was. :shrug:
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No disagreement there.
 
Zyphlin said:
Thanks Celtic. That was a good laugh. :lol:



Farwell's famous gays caused 9/11 spiel. He's on the right, you're on the right, a handfull of other crazies on the right embraced it, so all the right must believe it yes?!

At least by the logic you presented in the above post it would seem that's the case.
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:lol: my bad, you are right, I should have said.... "some on the" ;)


Really? Its gone viral? The image or the calling it of dangerous? What exactly is "up in arms" to you? Annoyed by it? If that's the case then its no different than all the republicans "up in arms" over the ones about Bush. Or is "up in arms" being extremely over the top upset by it? Cause if that's the case, so far its only this one "Dood", not "The left".
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I'm hearing about it all on the media here in ny, I can't escape it, and its not that big a deal really..... lets see what commentary plays out over the next few days. I am sure, I'll have more ammo then.


Right, but the thing is you didn't present it as "your guess" or a prediction. Your post made it out as if "The Left" was CURRENTLY up in arms about this thing, which frankly you've provided nothing and nothing in thsi thread has shown this to be the case.
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Again, my bad, I assumed you would all thought I meant "some on the"....


Anecdotal evidence based on....? From what I've seen nothing indicates this "propoganda" picture is any more viral or even close to the wide spread attention and exposure that the other hope "propoganda" picture. Not even close.
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Do a google image search for "obama socialism", it asks if you meant "obama socialism joker"

obama socialism - Google Images

It's "viral" in every definition of internet vernacular...


That's fine, but the post you're responding to didn't come about because you stated something as your opinion but made a statement of implication that it was fact that "The Left" was currently "up in arms" over this.
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meh. I think we are clear on what I meant now. no? :lol:



I'm not really shocked by it at all; its being picked up primarily and almost exclusively through conservative circles. That's not a surprise, nor shocking. What it is however is an attempt for you to try and repaint the conversation away from your over the top statement that you weren't able to back up originally.
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Again, you misunderstood me due to my admitted lack of clarity. "some on the" lets go on from there. I had no ill will or any attempt to paint "all of the" as it seems I inadvertantly have.


I know, some, no most on the left prolly don't care that much, though some will.


There is a good number of those on the right that seem to be embracing this (which, I find ironic and hypocritical for many of them, since a good number of those on the right use to decry the pictures posted above in this thread and others like it labeling bush as "Fascism" or depicting him in negative mocking ways). What there isn't, as you claimed, from what I can tell is a large amount of people from "The left" being "up in arms" over it.
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I disagree here, there is large "up in arms" over this...


Obama Joker Poster Stirs Outrage, Bush Joker Poster Not So Much | NewsBusters.org

Spoof poster of Obama's face painted as The Joker branded 'dangerous and mean-spirited' | Mail Online

The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

Why is the hateful Obama/Joker poster considered news? | Media Matters for America

EURweb.com - WHO'S BEHIND DRAMATIC OBAMA JOKER POSTER?: Is it free speech or something straight up sinister?

Big Hollywood Blog Archive Obama as Joker: Selective Outrage From ‘LA Weekly’

Obama Joker poster causes confusion and anger (video update)


And that was 5 minutes of Google. Lets see where this goes and I can show you there is a large group outraged by this....


Most, no, all, nope. but a large portion.... ;)
 
TheNextEra said:
It doesn't really matter what the picture is, all they have to do is put something with Obama in it with the words "Socialist" or "Socialism" and some on the right do the pat on the back circle jerk about it even though they have no idea what a socialist really is.

It's pathetic, but hey, look who's cheering it on and you can see how childish they really are.
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Here zyph, is an example of outrage. Note, TNE never said anything about the Bush attacks. ;)
 
Richard Nixon said:
Caesar did it in Rome when he returned from Gaul.
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Nope, it was an autocratic empire, much different from a socialist state, this came about because of civil war, it was a dictatorship, much different.



Your health care and banking systems aren't nationalised. Not permanently. Our health industry is. Being a majority shareholder in a bank and buying their debt does not equate to nationalisation.
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There isn't a timeline on socialism, it either is or isn't, when the USSR failed it shifted from socialist to democratic republic, but is showing signs of slipping back to an authoritarian state system, when the Castros die there is talk that Cuba may devolve into a power vacuum and the political structure may change, but that doesn't change the fact that Cuba is a socio-communist dictatorship, China is communist but has a private market to a degree with Hong Kong, it does NOT change the politics of that country. If Venezuela replaces Chavez, it will STILL be socialist as long as it owns the means of production, so your point that somehow temporary socialism isn't socialism is completely incorrect.



As wealth increases, taxes increase; progressive taxation.
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Wrong, progressive taxation is on a sliding scale, there is nothing in economic reports that suggests an ever progressing scale contributes to more wealth, in fact, just the opposite is the case, need proof, for the first time in about sixteen years tax revenues are down to the government and dropping because of the increases in taxes and talk of more spending and increases in taxes yet again to pay for them, money is being hidden or hoarded, production is down, as well as hiring, and all indicators are invalidating your above theory.
In socialism all wealth is equal, the monetary supply is spread in proportion. There is no progression is socialism. We are all equal.
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No one is equal in need or want, the same applies to ability, drive, ambition, etc. This is the first principle of economic law and thus proves yet again that socialism is a flawed theory.

At least I think that's the principles. Socialists are very fickle.
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You got that one right.
 
TheNextEra said:
Oh Bull****, I remember how "viral" some on the right got on different boards with the whole Bush imposed on Hitlers body thing. Some people went ballistic.

There are loonies on both sides, and your side is not without them.
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Uhm what are you crying about, this was in no way a response to anything I posted.
 
TheNextEra said:
It doesn't really matter what the picture is, all they have to do is put something with Obama in it with the words "Socialist" or "Socialism" and some on the right do the pat on the back circle jerk about it even though they have no idea what a socialist really is.

It's pathetic, but hey, look who's cheering it on and you can see how childish they really are.
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The only way I find any danger is that we have number of people just simply clueless as to what a "Socialist" is, and what "Socialism is. I understand the reason behind the use, it is a slander that feeds well into the fear of a number of people. Yet when you have a number of people truly believing this, you have to wonder either just how poorly has our education system been, or just how many deranged paranoids do we have walking around.

Funny if you ever actually hear what real Socialists or Fascists have to say, believe me they have nothing to say nice about either party. Fascists think the Republicans are wishy washy sell out traitors that should be hanged. Socialists think the Democrats are wishy washy sell outs that should be never elected in the first place. I always wondered why nobody ever bothered to ask Bernie Sanders, the one Socialist we DO have in the Senate what he has to say. Well actually he has been asked this, and quite frankly all he could do his find the whole notion laughable.

Personally I find it just childish association. Bush as Hitler, Obama as Socialist, are nothing more than pathetic attempts to play on people's base emotions. To me it is no more than hypocrisy and dishonesty, it points back to what their argument is, which is usually ill-defined. Bush as NAZI was offensive to be on an intellectual level because I had real policy disagreements and saw this type of childishness as nothing close to any real thought. It does more harm than good, and only paints those who use these tactics as moronic partisans so void of thought this is the best they can come up with.
 
sam_w said:
The only way I find any danger is that we have number of people just simply clueless as to what a "Socialist" is, and what "Socialism is. I understand the reason behind the use, it is a slander that feeds well into the fear of a number of people. Yet when you have a number of people truly believing this, you have to wonder either just how poorly has our education system been, or just how many deranged paranoids do we have walking around.

Funny if you ever actually hear what real Socialists or Fascists have to say, believe me they have nothing to say nice about either party. Fascists think the Republicans are wishy washy sell out traitors that should be hanged. Socialists think the Democrats are wishy washy sell outs that should be never elected in the first place. I always wondered why nobody ever bothered to ask Bernie Sanders, the one Socialist we DO have in the Senate what he has to say. Well actually he has been asked this, and quite frankly all he could do his find the whole notion laughable.

Personally I find it just childish association. Bush as Hitler, Obama as Socialist, are nothing more than pathetic attempts to play on people's base emotions. To me it is no more than hypocrisy and dishonesty, it points back to what their argument is, which is usually ill-defined. Bush as NAZI was offensive to be on an intellectual level because I had real policy disagreements and saw this type of childishness as nothing close to any real thought. It does more harm than good, and only paints those who use these tactics as moronic partisans so void of thought this is the best they can come up with.
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Quick question, could you link for us, you stating that you found Bush as hitler etc as childish, sometime during Bush's term? Perhaps from another forum or something? thanks!
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Here zyph, is an example of outrage. Note, TNE never said anything about the Bush attacks. ;)
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Hey rev, that's hardly "Up in Arms" unless you've got a VERY loose definition of "up in arms", in which case I'd be eager for you to do as you asked Sam_W and produce documentation where you were badmouthing republicans for saying even a minor negative word about people making fun of George Bush.

Secondly, TNE's not even showing outrage about the picture, but is talking negatively about people that are acting like its some great telling work when in reality its rather idiotic (since the joker + socialism have nothing to do with each other, and its arguable to call Obama a "socialist" at all).

Not to mention previously stated by TNE in this thread

TheNextEra said:
I think of them much like when some Bush supporters when they got in arms over it. They are both stupid.

Public figures ae going to be mocked no matter what they do. People getting in an uproar over this ae quite frankly, being silly and stupid.
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Note, he's both saying that those that ARE outraged over this are STUPID and that anyone making an uproar or as you put it "up in arms" over this are being silly.

Sorry, in the immortal words of the reverend.

Fail
 
 
Zyphlin said:
Hey rev, that's hardly "Up in Arms" unless you've got a VERY loose definition of "up in arms", in which case I'd be eager for you to do as you asked Sam_W and produce documentation where you were badmouthing republicans for saying even a minor negative word about people making fun of George Bush.
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applesand oranges.


I highly doubt Sam has ever complained about bush bashing... He's free to show me, I simply don't beleve it...


As for "up in arms", what phrase would you prefer, I am not to concerned with semantics....


Those links were simply the 1st few of "142"+ hits I got of unique sources....


Secondly, TNE's not even showing outrage about the picture, but is talking negatively about people that are acting like its some great telling work when in reality its rather idiotic (since the joker + socialism have nothing to do with each other, and its arguable to call Obama a "socialist" at all).

Not to mention previously stated by TNE in this thread
uhm, I am now confused. I don't think its brilliant either. I think its charismatic enough for people to latch onto.....


His response to me made little sense in the context of the conversation....



Note, he's both saying that those that ARE outraged over this are STUPID and that anyone making an uproar or as you put it "up in arms" over this are being silly.

Sorry, in the immortal words of the reverend.

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Is this how you concede? :mrgreen:
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Is this how you concede? :mrgreen:
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Why concede when its obvious you've won. Its not even winning, its won. The one example you have in thread is TNE, whose post isn't even showing "outrage" or "up in arms" over the actual image as you attempted to put forth in your original mistakenly worded post, but more laughing and decrying peoples response to the idiocy of said picture (which is rather idiotic), has also earlier in the thread actually publicly decried those that ARE "outraged" and "up in arms" over the creation of this picture as being "stupid" and "silly".

Double Fail
 
Zyphlin said:
Why concede when its obvious you've won. Its not even winning, its won. The one example you have in thread is TNE, whose post isn't even showing "outrage" or "up in arms" over the actual image as you attempted to put forth in your original mistakenly worded post, but more laughing and decrying peoples response to the idiocy of said picture (which is rather idiotic), has also earlier in the thread actually publicly decried those that ARE "outraged" and "up in arms" over the creation of this picture as being "stupid" and "silly".

Double Fail
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I think I may have had my bell rung in Jiu-jitz today, your post is making no sense to me...... :doh:lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I think I may have had my bell rung in Jiu-jitz today, your post is making no sense to me...... :doh:lol:
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Obviously that must be the issue, as that's the only way you can't see the awesomeness that is the argument put forth by the great Zyphlin. A pity, because if you could you'd see you

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Zyphlin said:
Obviously you just can't see the awesomeness that is the Zyphlin, a pity, because if you could you'd see you

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:rofl "The Zyphlin"



I may refer you as that from now on...... :lol:


(and yes, I get what you are doing..... Some would say its the sincerest form of flattery.. ;) )
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Quick question, could you link for us, you stating that you found Bush as hitler etc as childish, sometime during Bush's term? Perhaps from another forum or something? thanks!
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I was speaking from personal observation of seeing people throughout the Bush Presidency make such references. So no, I would not have a link, especially if this is something I see in a newspaper or on TV.
 
sam_w said:
I was speaking from personal observation of seeing people throughout the Bush Presidency make such references. So no, I would not have a link, especially if this is something I see in a newspaper or on TV.
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Ok. I didn't think so.... Thank you for your honesty.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Yeah. Lame cartoon is lame.
Elected official claiming lame cartoon is "dangerous"? That's scary.
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AFAICT, Hutchinson is not an 'elected official' in the regular sense--he's not a govt official.

I honestly don't understand why his comment is such a big deal. There're plenty of morons who say silly things.
Meh.
I certainly remember plenty of people who decried critics of the Bush Admin as traitors.
Seems just as silly, or sillier to me.

IMHO, Hutchinson is of no consequence afaict. YMMV
But if Hutchinsons is thought of this way, as being of little or no consequence, it'd be a lot harder to get your dander up. So, to each his own. Make a big deal about it if you think Hutchison's opinion is worth being bothered over. To me though, hes just another guy in LA with a weird opinion.
 
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