celticlord

WRONG!!!!

Most in U.S. Want Healthcare Reform, but Vary on Urgency

Most Americans do NOT support this healthcare legislation.

More Disapprove Than Approve of Obama on Healthcare

Half of all Americans disapprove of Dear Leader's handling of healthcare.

Majority in U.S. Favors Healthcare Reform This Year

Most Americans want legislation that addresses costs rather than universal coverage.

HR3200 is woefully out of step with what most Americans want.

Zyphlin

Nope, I don't have to mischaracterize anything. You do it fine there. Either pass this plan or you're against the american people and health care reformer.

You, and the rest of the partisan politics playing "Change" democrats, are Bush with a donkey's ass instead of an elephants.

Your arguments, view points, and thoughts on this are as pathetic as those of republicans in past years stating anyone that didn't agree with how to deal with terrorism was against America and "against" fighting terrorism. Not worth anyones time.

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Political buy outs, "my way or the highway" attitude, ignoring of rules and traditions because it suits your purpose...

Yep, gotta love the "Change from politics as usual" in this "post-partisan" era.

jackalope

Nope, the plan will pass without you. Either step up and work on constructively getting it passed, or get out of the way of being in the way of the American people. We DO want it passed. And it's not Democrats. You keep saying it, but you keep ignoring the fact that 7 in 10 Americans are NOT Democrats, but 7 in 10 Americans DO want it passed.

jackalope

That's funny .... you can look right at the sentence and not see what you don't want to see. Seven in 10 Americans DO want health care reform legislation passed. I never said they wanted it this year. I said they wanted it passed!!

However, count me in the 41%. I'm for THIS YEAR!

celticlord

I hear the scraping sounds of moving goalposts.

You claimed that seven out of ten Americans support the healthcare bill we are discussing here--HR3200. That is a blatantly false statement. HR3200 does not enjoy majority support Among Americans. So sayeth the Gallup organization.

I already figured you were in the 41% that figured Maine desperately needed other states to help pay for their health insurance.

AlbqOwl

The last Gallup poll was taken on July 14 and Gallup polls whoever answers the phone. Those polling likely voters are getting very different results now with most Americans not approving the healthcare as proposed by President Obama and the Democrats in Congress, and what support there is for government takeover of healthcare is eroding fast up through this week. Democrats still favor it by a substantial margin though support has slipped even there. Republicans and now those unaffiliated with either the GOP or Democrats are substantially opposing it.

It is for that reason that Harry Reid, who is already in trouble in Nevada, is not going to stick his neck out very far on this and he is trying to look responsible by saying let's slow down and go more slowly on this and the blue dogs in the Democratic House are also beginning to balk now that we are getting more and more details of what is in the bill.

President didn't help with his zombielike fillibuster press conference geared to prevent many questions earlier in the week, and he was barely coherent almost certainly by design.

They don't WANT you to know what they intend to do to you. And the ONLY ones pressing for an immediate healthcare overhaul are the President, his staff spokespersons, and liberal Democrats in Congress. Nobody else.

Peggy Noonan this week though summed it up here:

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jackalope

Ahhh, 'this' that was an editing problem. I was typing this legislation, and went back to fill in health care legislation and failed to pull out this. You are absolutely correct, THIS is in error. However, there is no THIS yet to name, b/c no legislation has made it out of committee yet, either in the house or the senate, and as we've gone thru in several threads, even once they do, THIS legislation won't be until it comes out of conference.

So, yes, I absolutely meant to leave it generic, and THIS was left in, in error.

And.... seven in ten Americans DO want health care legislation passed.

celticlord

Yeah, keep moving the goal posts. You still haven't gotten around the fact that most Americans are opposed to the passage of HR3200--which is the bill the Anti-Republicans are proposing to vote on in the House of Representatives.

Bob, weave, flail, and bail (and fail).....reality will still smack you in the face in the end.

jackalope

Hey Owl, I was just reading some interesting posts of your in another thread.

Re: Gallup, there is a new poll out this am. It was taken after Pres Obama's presser this week.

I disagree that they don't want us to know what they're going to do. I think the problem is there isn't final agreement yet, and there isn't a final product to discuss.

Appreciate the Noonan excerpt. I enjoy her writing. In this case, I think she's wrong tho. We will see !

jackalope

No, I made an error, and copped to it. I've tried very hard to stay generic in talking about legislation, but more than once I shorthanded it and had to go back and re-type.