Senate Bill Fines People More Than $1,000 for Refusing Health Care Coverage

Bootsavich · 07-06-09, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahBill

We make people buy atuo insurance before letting them drive, but some break that law and drive anyway. Likewise, some refuse to buy health insurance but LIVE anyway. Problem is, they want health care on demand without having a paid up policy that pays for the health care, or adequate resources to pay for it.

If adults won't pay for health insurance, we should let them die where the injury occurs. no sense wasting an ambulance trip on someone who WANTS to die.

I assume you have adequate coverage?

Agreed. I'm sure that if the stakes went high enough, people would learn quite quickly that it's time to get coverage, unless they are financially well off enough to cover themselves, which is a small minority of the nation.

Sturmrabe · 07-06-09, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by apdst

I would save 2 grand a year by paying the fine.

lol, that made me grin...

Ethereal · 07-06-09, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by phattonez

I really don't understand how people call themselves libertarians and talk like this.

You'll find my views are quite consistent.

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Anyway, if you can't afford it, why do you deserve it? What right do you have to the labor of anyone else?

I never said anyone deserves health care. I do believe, however, that refusing a person immediate, life-saving treatment is not an option. If a man is wheeled into an emergency room with a crushed spleen and he doesn't have insurance are we just going to throw him out onto the street to die? That's insane.

Scenarios where a person requires immediate care in order to save their life is one of the only things I'm willing to subsidize via taxes.

Moreover, the current system, whether us libertarians like it or not, forces society to incur the financial burden of uninsured people who obtain treatment but do not pay. If that's how the current system is going to work then individuals must be incentivized to purchase their own damn health insurance, instead of expecting you and I to foot the bill. Principle does not preclude pragmatism.

WillRockwell · 07-06-09, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

You'll find my views are quite consistent.

I never said anyone deserves health care. I do believe, however, that refusing a person immediate, life-saving treatment is not an option. If a man is wheeled into an emergency room with a crushed spleen and he doesn't have insurance are we just going to throw him out onto the street to die? That's insane.

Scenarios where a person requires immediate care in order to save their life is one of the only things I'm willing to subsidize via taxes.

Moreover, the current system, whether us libertarians like it or not, forces society to incur the financial burden of uninsured people who obtain treatment but do not pay. If that's how the current system is going to work then individuals must be incentivized to purchase their own damn health insurance, instead of expecting you and I to foot the bill. Principle does not preclude pragmatism.

Hey Mr. Libertarian, if your house catches fire, do you deserve to have the Fire Dept. put it out? If you are being beaten for holding such asshat opinions, do you deserve to have a policeman intervene? If you want to drive to town to attend a Tea Party, do you deserve a paved road? i could go on, and on and on, but Libertarians will continue to deny the need for infrastructure as they continue to use it.

Ethereal · 07-06-09, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WillRockwell

Hey Mr. Libertarian, if your house catches fire, do you deserve to have the Fire Dept. put it out? If you are being beaten for holding such asshat opinions, do you deserve to have a policeman intervene? If you want to drive to town to attend a Tea Party, do you deserve a paved road? i could go on, and on and on, but Libertarians will continue to deny the need for infrastructure as they continue to use it.

Do you understand the difference between local and national services?

Polimaster · 07-06-09, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahBill

We make people buy atuo insurance before letting them drive, but some break that law and drive anyway. Likewise, some refuse to buy health insurance but LIVE anyway. Problem is, they want health care on demand without having a paid up policy that pays for the health care, or adequate resources to pay for it.

If adults won't pay for health insurance, we should let them die where the injury occurs. no sense wasting an ambulance trip on someone who WANTS to die.

I assume you have adequate coverage?

Not everyone needs health insurance though. I college student who is trying to pay off student loans will probably not require a lot of medical treatment. There is no reason they need to pay 3 grand a year to go to a doctor twice in the same year. It would be cheaper for them to pay for their own treatment. Health insurance is not needed at all times, you do not need it consistently until you are older.

Let people choose it is their right. Maybe they make a mistake, but they should have the freedom to make that mistake. This is like the government telling everyone that they have to by some type of peanut butter. You can by any type you want, but you shouldn't have to buy any at all. If you are allergic to peanuts it will do you no good, they same as health insurance will do you no good if you are the average, healthy college student.

Shep Dawg · 07-06-09, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Polimaster

Not everyone needs health insurance though. I college student who is trying to pay off student loans will probably not require a lot of medical treatment. There is no reason they need to pay 3 grand a year to go to a doctor twice in the same year. It would be cheaper for them to pay for their own treatment. Health insurance is not needed at all times, you do not need it consistently until you are older.

Let people choose it is their right. Maybe they make a mistake, but they should have the freedom to make that mistake. This is like the government telling everyone that they have to by some type of peanut butter. You can by any type you want, but you shouldn't have to buy any at all. If you are allergic to peanuts it will do you no good, they same as health insurance will do you no good if you are the average, healthy college student.

Stay in college. It's obvious you still have a lot to learn. What happens when the "healthy" college student breaks his leg playing basketball? Or the healthy college student is in a car accident? Does the healthy college student have the means to pay cash for their medical services?

Polimaster · 07-06-09, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shep Dawg

Stay in college. It's obvious you still have a lot to learn. What happens when the "healthy" college student breaks his leg playing basketball? Or the healthy college student is in a car accident? Does the healthy college student have the means to pay cash for their medical services?

If the college student breaks their leg, or does anything similar, then they will get emergency treatment and the hospital can just write off any expenses. And before you say it I know the bill then gets sent to the tax payers because a hospital is non-profit (which is what allows them to write it off in the first place), but that is what universal health care is. A college student can get the treatment and not have to pay for the services.

And generally a healthy college student will not suffer any serious injuries, GENERALLY, so why pay 12 thousand dollars over the course of a four year college for something that chances are you will not use, and do not need. I think a 40,000 dollar tuition is enough.

Harry Guerrilla · 07-06-09, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

I never said anyone deserves health care. I do believe, however, that refusing a person immediate, life-saving treatment is not an option. If a man is wheeled into an emergency room with a crushed spleen and he doesn't have insurance are we just going to throw him out onto the street to die? That's insane.

Scenarios where a person requires immediate care in order to save their life is one of the only things I'm willing to subsidize via taxes.

Moreover, the current system, whether us libertarians like it or not, forces society to incur the financial burden of uninsured people who obtain treatment but do not pay. If that's how the current system is going to work then individuals must be incentivized to purchase their own damn health insurance, instead of expecting you and I to foot the bill. Principle does not preclude pragmatism.

I think removing the ability for someone to use bankruptcy to not pay medical bills would be a great start as well as removing the statute of limitations for collections and credit reporting.

If someone spent their time and money to make you well again you shouldn't be able to skirt paying that bill.

Shep Dawg · 07-06-09, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Polimaster

If the college student breaks their leg, or does anything similar, then they will get emergency treatment and the hospital can just write off any expenses. And before you say it I know the bill then gets sent to the tax payers because a hospital is non-profit (which is what allows them to write it off in the first place), but that is what universal health care is. A college student can get the treatment and not have to pay for the services.

And generally a healthy college student will not suffer any serious injuries, GENERALLY, so why pay 12 thousand dollars over the course of a four year college for something that chances are you will not use, and do not need. I think a 40,000 dollar tuition is enough.

So why are you opposed to UHC? What is so special that only college students get free health care, and not say...single parents? If a portion of my taxes are going to pay for the college students health care while they are in college, shouldn't I expect the college student to then pay something towards the next generation of college students health care, once they get a job?

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