Arizona Moves to Oppose Obama’s Expected Health Care Mandates

stevenb · 07-01-09, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MrVicchio

Arizona is making a pointless gesture. When, not if, the Dems pass this craptastic "reform" and the people vote out of it, the Feds will STILL tax them, and probably challenge the state in court and/or tell them "Fine, you don't want this service, we're gonna end this service in your state".

Obam and the liberals will not tolerate any state or people in a state to refuse their domination.

That my friend is where it will get interesting.

My vote is... it will either be Texas, Idaho, Arizona, or New Hampshire that tells the government to kiss their ass and walks.

Keep pushing and you're bound to get a response... sometimes that response isn't the one you wanted.

scourge99 · 07-01-09, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MrVicchio

Arizona is making a pointless gesture. When, not if, the Dems pass this craptastic "reform" and the people vote out of it, the Feds will STILL tax them, and probably challenge the state in court and/or tell them "Fine, you don't want this service, we're gonna end this service in your state".

Obam and the liberals will not tolerate any state or people in a state to refuse their domination.

If enough states can refrain from using it then the less savings it will provide to the users of the plan. It will cost more and either bankrupt he system, cause it to fail, or cause the dems to pull it for fear of repercussion. If any of the former happen it would destroy Obama's chances of reelection (not that he'll have any if the economy doesn't pick up) and make the democrats look like fools.

Just my speculation.

Councilman · 07-01-09, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Midwest Lib

You believe that we will have the same situation as in Canada...Perhaps, perhaps not. You do, however, fail to mention that people in America also have been known to make trips to Canada from the states to receive pharmaceuticals that are unaffordable to them in their own country. I want to hear real reasons from you why this won't work (yes, your opinions included) not "Obama is trying to kill all our old people" then turn it into propaganda about how he will kill off all he doesn't find worthy. You are guilty of the slippery slope fallacy as well as ad hominem and others I'm sure.

Feel free to give reasonable arguments, but don't spew off hatred and try to pass it off as fact.

So there is no confusion, I will ask you a direct question to which I would appreciate a direct answer. If a socialized health care is not the plan, how do you propose we fix the current medical system. It is unarguably true that healthcare is becoming more and more expensive, and what appears to be the most common belief as to why is that the insurance companies are essentially controlling all the costs of healthcare. I want to know how you would handle this differently. How would you solve the problem? I want to hear nothing but your thoughts. You are assigned to this task...what do you do?

First of all I never said Obama wants to kill all old people it's your straw man training kicking in. I call Obama what he is based on his action it' gets peoples attention and maybe in some cases causes them to do a little research on their onwn to see what he's really done Vs what he's said or promised.
You made a leap on the cost of prescription drugs would come here if had a Health Care plan of the type here. Well it could happen but only if the Dictator in Chief takes over the the Pharmaceutical Companies like he did with GM, Chrysler, and control of large portions of the banking industry. By the way there is nothing in the Constitution that says he or any part of the Government has that dictatorial power. Drug prices are negotiated in Canada as a whole under their Socialist form of Government. That kind of deal is not permitted here yet and until the Socialist in Chief gets his way. Hell even Mexico has better drug prices than we do and so does most of the rest of the world because the drug Companies use the U.S. to make up the cost of development of new drugs. I have one that without insurance is $180.00 a month and that's just one od the 7 I have to use to stay alive these days. I'd love to have better prices but the cost to the economy of Obama's plan in conjunction with his Cap on Trade, Growth, Jobs, and the accompanying costs of increases in all commodities will finish any hope of economic recovery and put even more people out of work. It will however increase the imports of solar panels from China who is already the leading manufacturer of those sold in this country.
I also understand there are fewer people uninsured than Obama claims and there are other ideas that would not destroy our present system.

Keep in mind Obama's own words. "Mar 15, 2008 ... "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".
Barack Hussein Obama

And he's well on his way to doing just that.

CaptainCourtesy · 07-02-09, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Councilman

I think it's joke to call Obama's plan Health care reform. It should be called Obama's Careless Health Plan of Deform.
A quick review of Obama's own Statements will show you he wants to institute forced euthanasia, and that will lead directly to eugenics. For those who don't know what that is. It is a program based on improving the qualities of the humans as a whole and or the human population by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits. It also leads to the killing or the euthanasia of those born with any defect deemed to be unworthy of reproduction or leading a productive life as out lined by the Dictator in Chief.
There are some things I loved about living in AZ for 17 of the last 19 years. Some of the people think. Napolitano was not one of them.
I hope that (HCR2014) psses and starts a movement that speads nation wide when people wake to Obama's dream of destroying this country.

I'm impressed. Most logically fallacious post I've seen in years. Please prove any of what you say.

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