Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely

Scorpion89 · 06-27-09, 01:35 PM

Hey Liala I've got a great idea how about we let them live in your flat and once they get done beheading you for being an outspoken Arab Women then we can just do what we should have done in the first place put a bullet in the back of there heads.

RightinNYC · 06-27-09, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Laila

How do i know they are terrorists? I only have US's word for it [And it's not like they haven't been wrong before]
What if the person being held for life is innocent?

So we give the state the power and ability to hold someone for life without knowing the reasons and without a court?
No. This is something for the law.

Do the detainees in prisons in Afghanistan have rights to courts?

Travelsonic · 06-27-09, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

Do the detainees in prisons in Afghanistan have rights to courts?

Afghanistan != USA

Lets not make this a "do as I say, not as I do" situation.

Laila · 06-27-09, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

Do the detainees in prisons in Afghanistan have rights to courts?

I hope so but i doubt it because of its current situation of war.

RightinNYC · 06-27-09, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Travelsonic

Afghanistan != USA

The reason why Guantanamo was originally used was because Guantanamo =/= USA either.

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Lets not make this a "do as I say, not as I do" situation.

That wasn't what I was getting at. I'm not comparing Guantanamo procedures to any other government, but rather to the way that military detainees are treated at other US facilities. The point is that if detainees at Bagram don't have recourse, why should detainees at Guantanamo?

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Originally Posted by Laila

I hope so but i doubt it because of its current situation of war.

They don't.

celticlord · 06-27-09, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Laila

I hope so but i doubt it because of its current situation of war.

Is the United States at war with Afghanistan?

Laila · 06-27-09, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by celticlord

Is the United States at war with Afghanistan?

I'd say so.
But war implies equal forces fighting. More like big man kicking little man.

RightinNYC · 06-27-09, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Laila

I'd say so.
But war implies equal forces fighting. More like big man kicking little man.

So the question of what rights are available to detainees is based on your personal perception of whether we're at war and whether it's a fair fight?

Laila · 06-27-09, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

So the question of what rights are available to detainees is based on your personal perception of whether we're at war and whether it's a fair fight?

Not really.
I think everyone have the same rights.

If US doesn't afford its prisoners some form of rights, i assume that gives acceptance to the fact Afghanistan and any other country can take American soldiers, torture and hold them indefinetley on charges that may be false and made up but we won't know because there is no trial. Rather the power to decide lies upon the state to be judge, jury and possibly executioner.

celticlord · 06-27-09, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Laila

I'd say so.

Even when the President of Afghanistan meets with US officials to discuss matters of joint interest?

President Karzai Meets US National Security Advisor

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President Hamid Karzai met today in the palace with President Obama’s National Security Advisor, Gen. James Jones to discuss effective ways on the implementation of America’s new strategy for Afghanistan.

The meeting also focused on other issues of mutual interest including bilateral relations, strategic partnership, situation in Afghanistan and the region, counterterrorism, and the United States continued assistance to the reconstruction process in Afghanistan.

The President stated Afghanistan is ready to cooperate in harmony with the US in beginning to implement the new strategy.
Gen. Jones said his country welcomes and appreciate Afghanistan’s cooperation for a coordinated implementation of the strategy.

President Obama’s Security Advisor will be meeting local authorities, American diplomats in Kabul, military officers before he flies to Pakistan for meetings with Pakistani officials.

With whom in Afghanistan is the United States at war, if not the government in Kabul?

06-27-09, 01:35 PM	#11
Scorpion89 Banned Join Date: May 2009 Last Seen: 01-05-10 04:26 PM Posts: 2,629 Thanks: 756 Thanked 527 Times in 356 Posts	Re: Critics Bemoan Prospect of Obama Detaining Terror Suspects Indefinitely Hey Liala I've got a great idea how about we let them live in your flat and once they get done beheading you for being an outspoken Arab Women then we can just do what we should have done in the first place put a bullet in the back of there heads.

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