Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

tlmorg02 · 06-26-09, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Goobieman

My Way News - Obama not closing door on possible health care tax

Assuming that this goes thru, and that medical benefits are inputed as income and taxed accordingly -- does this qualify as a break in the promise to not raise the taxes of anyone making $250k or less?

If he does this he is breaking his campaigne promise and is a hypocrite for criticizing McCain for the same plan!

Goobieman · 06-26-09, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kandahar

Well, sort of. It isn't a hike in the income tax RATE persay, so Obama can claim that their tax rates didn't go up. Especially if Congress lowers the actual RATE for people earning less than $250K.

No.... but it is an increase in their income taxes because it adds to what counts as income.

AndrewC · 06-26-09, 11:18 AM

Unions? Health Benefits May Avoid Tax Under Senate Proposal - Bloomberg.com

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The U.S. Senate proposal to impose taxes for the first time on “gold-plated” health plans may bypass generous employee benefits negotiated by unions.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, the chief congressional advocate of taxing some employer-provided benefits to help pay for a $1 trillion overhaul of the U.S. health system, says any change should exempt perks secured in existing collective-bargaining agreements, which can be in place for as long as five years.

The exception, which could make the proposal more politically palatable to Democrats from heavily unionized states such as Michigan, is adding controversy to an already contentious debate. It would shield the 12.4 percent of American workers who belong to unions from being taxed while exposing some other middle-income workers to the levy.

“I can’t think of any other aspect of the individual income tax that treats benefits of different people differently because of who they work for,” said Chris Edwards, director of tax policy studies at the Cato Institute, a Washington research group that often criticizes Democrats’ economic proposals. Edwards said the carve-out “smacks of political favoritism.”

Damn Dirty Dems!

tlmorg02 · 06-26-09, 11:27 AM

All this tax will accomplish is the lightening of the Middle Classes pockets.

rivrrat · 06-26-09, 11:36 AM

****ing brilliant. Tax the people who actually have private healthcare and aren't costing the system money. So the people WITH insurance now have to pay even more money. Who's the brainiac that thought up that wonderful idea?

Truth Detector · 06-26-09, 11:56 AM

As it relates to Government Managed Health care, what all voters need to ask of Obama and all the politicians in Washington is; will you be under the same plan as the rest of us.

You might be surprised by the answer to this question.

If they exempt themselves from the identical program they wish to foist on the rest of us, the answer is an OBVIOUS no thank you.

Truth Detector · 06-26-09, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX]

Yes, let's eliminate all taxes because parks are bad for us, scholarships are bad for us, and Medicare/Medicaid are bad for us.

Funny story, the other day one guy told me he hated Democrats because by the time he grew up, there wouldn't be any Social Security.

Yes that's the argument; we want to eliminate all taxes.

Of course such absurd nonsense is always spewed when Liberals are confronted with the REALITY that the debate is not just about taxes, but about limiting choice, expanding the role of Government in our lives and the FACT that politicians can never get enough of our tax dollars and are incapable of balancing a budget.

This isn't about taxes, this is about the confiscation of citizen’s hard earned wealth so that politicians can pander to ignorant uninformed voters and make them wards of the "State."

TheHat · 06-26-09, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX]

When you complain to Democrats that they're destroying Social Security, a program that they implemented in the first place- yeah I find that pretty funny.

Also, you know what- I come from a pretty wealthy family (few pharmacists and my father's a doctor) and I also aspire to be a doctor some day. To say that we're well off financially isn't exactly an understatement. I have no problem taxing the wealthy more than taxing the poor. I'm not saying tax the wealthy until they're poor or even middle class. Think about this though, taxing one millionaire one percent is $10,000. That's only one percent, a relative drop in the bucket to a millionaire. However, to somebody who only makes 40k a year, that's 3 months pay.

So what? Why should he be taxes differently then the poor guy? They are both citizens of the same country.

Smoke[MaxX] · 06-26-09, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHat

So what? Why should he be taxes differently then the poor guy? They are both citizens of the same country.

Because he has extra money that hurts the economy because it's not being spent? Why should one guy have extra benefits because he grew up in a wealthy family? Why should one person have a better education because he lives in a different part of the country? Why shouldn't everybody have universal healthcare? We're all citizens of the same country.

Smoke[MaxX] · 06-26-09, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Yes that's the argument; we want to eliminate all taxes.

Of course such absurd nonsense is always spewed when Liberals are confronted with the REALITY that the debate is not just about taxes, but about limiting choice, expanding the role of Government in our lives and the FACT that politicians can never get enough of our tax dollars and are incapable of balancing a budget.

This isn't about taxes, this is about the confiscation of citizen’s hard earned wealth so that politicians can pander to ignorant uninformed voters and make them wards of the "State."

Yeah, that's the argument; politicians are only pandering to ignorant uninformed voters while making them wards of the "State" so that they can "confiscate" their hard earned wealth.

Of course such absurd nonsense is always spewed when Conservatives are confronted with the REALITY of a debate, but the FACT is that strawman arguments are pretty weak.

Perhaps my hyperbole was a bit exaggerated, but it's obvious that Republicans want to cut taxes as far as they can. It's equally obvious that government spending actually helps the technology and academia sectors. It's pretty hard to lead the world in technology and academia if the government doesn't support them.

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rivrrat Goddess of Bacon Join Date: Feb 2007 Last Seen: Today 09:58 AM Posts: 9,972 Thanks: 2,788 Thanked 4,101 Times in 2,373 Posts Gender:	Re: Obama not closing door on possible health care tax ****ing brilliant. Tax the people who actually have private healthcare and aren't costing the system money. So the people WITH insurance now have to pay even more money. Who's the brainiac that thought up that wonderful idea?
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