Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

talloulou · 06-08-09, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

And just how the hell did you and I end up on the same side of an abortion debate?

Well Dr. Tiller and his clinic have been on our radar for a long time. I think his killing is the first time some other have ever heard of him. In the older debates on here you won't find many on either side having anything nice to say about the dude.

missypea · 06-08-09, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Of course there's a conspiracy.

A conspiracy to hide the fact that the man reached into cooters with a pair of gripped, baby skull sized forceps and a medieval instrument made to splinter baby skulls and deflate them before extracting the fetus piece by piece from the uterus. I cannot fathom the type of sickness that brings a man to do that for a living and anyone who has the stomach for it should be subject to oversight when he does need to perform the action for medically necessary reasons. And that oversight should be enforced with a strong amount of skepticism and advocacy for the baby inside who can't speak for itself.

Jerry's post implied that all the women who used Tiller as their doctor were in cahoots with him and you're agreeing with that?

talloulou · 06-08-09, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Redress

I have not found any such reference to him being a "nutter", and I did look.

I don't know so much about embarrassing, but according to his cease and desist order, it does appear that it is highly likely he was possibly breaking HIPPA. The Kansas Supreme Court specifically ordered "all parties to resist any impulse to further publicize their respective legal positions..."(source already linked).

All the records he saw were redacted. He can't possibly give away private information when he himself never saw any names.

They wanted him to cease and desist because he makes it difficult for them to continue to refuse to answer the question:

Is Tiller killing viable babies with no regard for the irreversible maternal heath threat law on the books?

That's why they wanted him to stop.

talloulou · 06-08-09, 10:04 PM

It is notable they didn't call him a liar when asking him to stop though, huh?

jallman · 06-08-09, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Redress

Because in this case you both ended up being wrong?

Smiley included to ensure you know I am joking...

Talloulou, felicity and I have had some epic rows over abortion in the past and this is probably the first time we have been squarely on the same side. Normally it is felicity and lou on one side and 1069 and I on the other. Good times.

jallman · 06-08-09, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by missypea

Jerry's post implied that all the women who used Tiller as their doctor were in cahoots with him and you're agreeing with that?

I didn't say that at all. I said, specifically, "I don't believe for a minute all the abortions he performed were inappropriate".

But I will put forth that any woman who did go to Tiller for an abortion HAD to be complicit. Now whether that was for legitimate medical reasons or because she got cold feet a little late...well now that's the $64,000 question, isn't it?

missypea · 06-08-09, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I don't believe for one minute that all of the abortions he performed were inappropriate.

Thank you. That was my beef with all these Tiller threads and the "baby killer" mindset.

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However, I am highly suspicious of someone who tries that hard to hide something. In this case, he and his buddies were hiding the reasons for killing babies in utero. That's disturbing on any level. I don't think some oversight is too much to ask for and their intent to block that oversight is suspect at best, criminal at worst.

I have no problem with oversight. I think it's an important piece of the pie. You shouldn't walk a tightrope without a net and it just makes good sense.....as long as HIPAA laws aren't violated.

I am also suspicious of the way the litigation was handled originally. Having people at the steering wheel who protested at the clinic was a poor decision to say the least.

hazlnut · 06-08-09, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

That's just for governor. The amount of money poured in from both prolife and prochoice campaigns along with Dr. Tiller for the DA race was truly incredible. To really understand what Tiller did to Kansas and how politicized abortion became in Kansas read this:

Kansas is deadly epicenter in abortion debate - Life- msnbc.com

The story you linked to says Tiller raised money but ultimately was unsuccessful:

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The doctor himself became a significant player in state politics, forming a political action committee in 2002 that funneled $153,000 into unsuccessful efforts to defeat anti-abortion Republican Phill Kline as attorney general.

Doesn't seem like they had much political muscle as you keep indicating in post after post after post... Also, the story doesn't say how much Operation Rescue and other groups gave in support of Phill Kline. You got any info on that?

The story then goes on to say that this guy, Kline, went after Tiller with everything he had, but was unsuccessful in getting any convictions.

You keep saying in all your posts that Tiller had all this politic pull and manipulated the system. However the story you linked to seems to indicate the opposite. Tiller was the underdog. The pro-lifer's had the power, with the exception of the Governor--thank goodness for checks and balances, eh?

So, when all the political muscle and money could not stop Tiller, someone took matters into his own hands. Great.

What would happen if people started doing that on any issue where they didn't get what they wanted?

jallman · 06-08-09, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by missypea

Thank you. That was my beef with all these Tiller threads and the "baby killer" mindset.

I have no problem with oversight. I think it's an important piece of the pie. You shouldn't walk a tightrope without a net and it just makes good sense.....as long as HIPAA laws aren't violated.

I am also suspicious of the way the litigation was handled originally. Having people at the steering wheel who protested at the clinic was a poor decision to say the least.

Every murder case is a protest against the actions of the murderer. I think that zealous prosecution is a good thing and I do like my prosecutors and defense advocatesto be a little vested in the case so that the adversarial justice system works to full effect. It is a system that works best under higher stress. So long as there was no misconduct on either side, I don't see a problem at all.

talloulou · 06-08-09, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by missypea

Thank you. That was my beef with all these Tiller threads and the "baby killer" mindset.

I have no problem with oversight. I think it's an important piece of the pie. You shouldn't walk a tightrope without a net and it just makes good sense.....as long as HIPAA laws aren't violated.

I am also suspicious of the way the litigation was handled originally. Having people at the steering wheel who protested at the clinic was a poor decision to say the least.

You have to understand Kansas. Tiller's infamous clinic made Kansas the end all be all state for abortion fights. Most in Kansas are squarely on one side or the other and many of their races for most any political position as well as judges, district attorney, etc are fought over as if abortion is the end all be all public concern. Many outsiders poor into Kansas with tons of money for both sides to support their abortion agendas. Abortion may be an issue for some campaigns, some states however for Kansas it is the issue.

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