New report re-uses old data to target abstinence pledges {EDIT}

danarhea · 01-08-09, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

What does that have to do with anything?

Has a lot to do with his own dishonesty, while he deflects the question by calling others dishonest. Once again, he who smelt it dealt it.

PeteEU · 01-08-09, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeeJayH

and yet it has been practiced by countless cultures throughout the history of the mankind.
why is it all of a sudden bullcrap??

It is bullcrap because it did not work then and it does not work now.

Girls got pregnant in the 1800s, 900s and forever outside marriage. It was a disgrace back then and the reality hidden from public... it was taboo.. but it did happen. Was the grip of fear by religious dogma much higher back then? Sure, and I dont deny that brainwashed people lived up to the abstinence bullcrap out of fear, but no matter what, girls did get pregnant, did have sex and so on. And that was when there was no safe forms of contraception...

but guess what.. Today we do have contraception, and premarital sex is no where near as taboo as it once (hell it is only 40+ years ago it was taboo really) was and the grip of religious fanatics has been weakened considerably. Only blind stupid and moronic people would deny the populace any and all methods to protect the health of people based on some warped religious dogma indoctrinated over the centuries.

Abstinence is and always has been, a way to control the female part of the populace... submit to the male dominated world view, and refute your own sexual urges till you get married..because it is good to be a virgin on your wedding night since then the man will know you are pure and free of sexual transmitted diseases. and now he owns you.....Christianity urges this, Islam urges this.. same crap to control women.

danarhea · 01-08-09, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrVicchio

No, it's because.. GASP! Conservatives would rather a baby born then a baby killed. PREFER that children not have sex out of wedlock as well but we take what we can get.

Actually, while Conservatives don't believe in abortion, they take a position that it is up to the states to decide, and none of the Federal government's damn business, one way or the other.

PeteEU · 01-08-09, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

What does that have to do with anything?

Its called deflecting away from the issue because you are either ashamed of the facts, and/or disagree with the facts... a classic right wing tactic used for the last many years..

FallingPianos · 01-08-09, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by emdash

mississippi

not exactly. mississippi has the highest birth rate, not the highest pregnancy rate.

as of 2000, mississippi had the 3rd highest pregnancy rate, following nevada and arizona. at the time, mississippi had the 8th lowest abortion ratio (% of pregnancies that end in abortion vs birth. miscarriages excluded), meaning that the birth rate would be disproportionately high.

Tucker Case · 01-08-09, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

Actually, while Conservatives don't believe in abortion, they take a position that it is up to the states to decide, and none of the Federal government's damn business, one way or the other.

Not all conservatives don't believe in abortion. Goldwater for example felt it was a personal choice.

EgoffTib · 01-08-09, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

Actually, while Conservatives don't believe in abortion, they take a position that it is up to the states to decide, and none of the Federal government's damn business, one way or the other.

But MrVicchio's lean says he is "very conservative", so obviously he knows more than you do about conservatism.

PeteEU · 01-08-09, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

Actually, while Conservatives don't believe in abortion, they take a position that it is up to the states to decide, and none of the Federal government's damn business, one way or the other.

And why do they want the states to decide such things?

Is it because they know they cant win on such things on a national level.....

oh yea, states rights... sure...

EgoffTib · 01-08-09, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

And why do they want the states to decide such things?

Is it because they know they cant win on such things on a national level.....

oh yea, states rights... sure...

Oh yeah, **** the Constitution. It's like totally ghey.

Tucker Case · 01-08-09, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

And why do they want the states to decide such things?

Is it because they know they cant win on such things on a national level.....

oh yea, states rights... sure...

I'm pro-choice and I think it would be better left up to the states to decide. Federal authority = bad.

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