Debate Politics Forums forum
Go Back   Debate Politics Forums > In the news > *Breaking News* - Mainstream Media



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-29-08, 07:30 PM   #1
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Last Seen: 01-23-09 03:10 PM
Posts: 198
Thanks: 15
Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts
Lean: Conservative
Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

The Israel Air Force used a new bunker-buster missile that it received recently from the United States in strikes against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, The Jerusalem Post learned on Sunday.

Post's Yaakov Katz analyzes the IDF's next moves

The missile, called GBU-39, was developed in recent years by the US as a small-diameter bomb for low-cost, high-precision and low collateral damage strikes.

Israel received approval from Congress to purchase 1,000 units in September and.... IAF uses new US-supplied smart bomb | Israel | Jerusalem Post

GOP Socialist Soldier is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-08, 08:25 PM   #2
Young Money Millionaire

 
Hatuey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Last Seen: Today 09:32 PM
Posts: 17,031
Thanks: 4,405
Thanked 4,895 Times in 2,972 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male

Dungeon Master Veteran:  Thank you. 
Total Awards: 1

Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by GOP Socialist Soldier View Post
The Israel Air Force used a new bunker-buster missile that it received recently from the United States in strikes against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, The Jerusalem Post learned on Sunday.

Post's Yaakov Katz analyzes the IDF's next moves

The missile, called GBU-39, was developed in recent years by the US as a small-diameter bomb for low-cost, high-precision and low collateral damage strikes.

Israel received approval from Congress to purchase 1,000 units in September and.... IAF uses new US-supplied smart bomb | Israel | Jerusalem Post

If it's high precision then I'm all for it. The 21st century is no place for stupid age weapons like cluster bombs.
__________________
Is Intolerant Because He Won't Let The Intolerant Run Other People's Lives.
Hatuey is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-08, 08:43 PM   #3
Navy Veteran

 
MrVicchio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Last Seen: Today 09:30 PM
Location: San Antonio Texas
Posts: 8,057
Thanks: 982
Thanked 2,577 Times in 1,476 Posts
Lean: Very Conservative
Gender: Male

US Navy:  I am a ten year Veteran of the US Navy. I got out in Aug of 2005 as an E-5 AG2(AW). 
Total Awards: 1

Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
If it's high precision then I'm all for it. The 21st century is no place for stupid age weapons like cluster bombs.
Whatever. Cluster bombs are highly effective weapons that are both needed and should be in our inventory.
__________________
Both of our PC's died. I am using a 2004-5 era Mac. It's SLOW. So if you see a TYPO in my posts, forgive it.
Cause this stupid POS sux.
MrVicchio is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MrVicchio For This Useful Post:
Old 12-30-08, 05:30 AM   #4
Defender of the Faith

 
ludahai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Last Seen: 03-14-10 05:19 PM
Location: Taichung, Taiwan - Home of the 2007 Baseball World Cup
Posts: 5,980
Thanks: 1,311
Thanked 887 Times in 635 Posts
Lean: Very Conservative
Gender: Male

US Coast Guard:  Honorably discharged from the US Coast Guard in 1992. 
Total Awards: 1

Send a message via MSN to ludahai
Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
If it's high precision then I'm all for it. The 21st century is no place for stupid age weapons like cluster bombs.
Just another example of how Israel is doing its best to reduce civilian casualties.
__________________
Semper Paratus
ludahai is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-08, 05:38 AM   #5
Sage

 
PeteEU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Last Seen: Today 05:07 PM
Location: Mijas, Costa del Sol
Posts: 6,041
Thanks: 295
Thanked 1,507 Times in 1,044 Posts
Lean: Centrist
Gender: Male
Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
Just another example of how Israel is doing its best to reduce civilian casualties.
not doing a good job of it though
__________________
PeteEU
PeteEU is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-08, 05:46 AM   #6
Educator

 
gunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Last Seen: Today 06:01 PM
Location: uk
Posts: 1,235
Thanks: 883
Thanked 342 Times in 252 Posts
Lean: Centrist
Gender: Male
Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
not doing a good job of it though
They are doing an extremely good job. If Hamas continually hide amongst one of the most densely populated places on earth, the casualties thus far are minimal.

Paul.
__________________
Educate people without religion and you make them but clever devils Duke of Wellington
gunner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-08, 06:08 AM   #7
Defender of the Faith

 
ludahai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Last Seen: 03-14-10 05:19 PM
Location: Taichung, Taiwan - Home of the 2007 Baseball World Cup
Posts: 5,980
Thanks: 1,311
Thanked 887 Times in 635 Posts
Lean: Very Conservative
Gender: Male

US Coast Guard:  Honorably discharged from the US Coast Guard in 1992. 
Total Awards: 1

Send a message via MSN to ludahai
Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
not doing a good job of it though
It would be impossible to completely eliminate civilian casualities. They are doing a lot - far more than they actually have to.
__________________
Semper Paratus
ludahai is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ludahai For This Useful Post:
Old 12-30-08, 09:13 AM   #8
Educator

 
gunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Last Seen: Today 06:01 PM
Location: uk
Posts: 1,235
Thanks: 883
Thanked 342 Times in 252 Posts
Lean: Centrist
Gender: Male
Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
If it's high precision then I'm all for it. The 21st century is no place for stupid age weapons like cluster bombs.
Cluster bombs have there use in certain scenarios, though not in densely populated areas.

- Dumb Bombs

They were used to great affect in Desert Storm.

Paul.
__________________
Educate people without religion and you make them but clever devils Duke of Wellington

Last edited by gunner; 12-30-08 at 09:17 AM.
gunner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-08, 09:20 AM   #9
Young Money Millionaire

 
Hatuey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Last Seen: Today 09:32 PM
Posts: 17,031
Thanks: 4,405
Thanked 4,895 Times in 2,972 Posts
Lean: Liberal
Gender: Male

Dungeon Master Veteran:  Thank you. 
Total Awards: 1

Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
Whatever. Cluster bombs are highly effective weapons that are both needed and should be in our inventory.
Unsupported :

Cluster bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:
Cluster munitions are opposed by many individuals and hundreds of groups, such as the Red Cross,[16] the Cluster Munition Coalition and the United Nations, because of the high number of civilians that have fallen victim to the weapon. Since February 2005, Handicap International called for cluster munitions to be prohibited and collected hundreds of thousands of signatures to support its call.[17] 98% of 13,306 recorded cluster munitions casualties that are registered with Handicap International are civilians, while 27% are children.[3]

The area affected by a single cluster munition, known as its footprint, can be as large as two or three American football fields [18]. A single unguided M26 MLRS rocket can effectively cover an area of 0.23 km˛[4]. In US and most allied services, the M26 has been replaced by the M30 guided missile fired from the MLRS. The M30 has greater range and accuracy but a smaller area of coverage. It is worth noting that for reasons including both danger to civilians and changing tactical requirements, the non-cluster unitary warhead XM31 missile is, in many cases, replacing even the M30.

Because of the weapon's broad area of effect, they have often been documented as striking both civilian and military objects in the target area. This characteristic of the weapon is particularly problematic for civilians when cluster munitions are used in or near populated areas and has been documented by research reports from groups such as Human Rights Watch,[19] Landmine Action, Mines Action Canada and Handicap International. In some cases, like the Zagreb rocket attack, civilians were deliberately targeted by such weapons. [20]
__________________
Is Intolerant Because He Won't Let The Intolerant Run Other People's Lives.
Hatuey is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Hatuey For This Useful Post:
Old 12-30-08, 09:34 AM   #10
Professor

 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Last Seen: 02-13-09 03:15 PM
Posts: 1,942
Thanks: 41
Thanked 570 Times in 413 Posts
Lean: Conservative
Re: Israel AF uses new US-supplied smart bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
not doing a good job of it though
By what measure?

Meanwhile, Israel's enemies fight and immerse themselves among civilians. When Israel rightly attacks these terrorists it is Israel that is condemned.

Simply amazing.

The useful idiots is America and Europe are demonstrating that they have no will to fight and are revealing their distaste of democracy and preferences for totalitarianism.

But this was it was during the Cold War, too. The useful idiots have just found a new partner is all...
JMak is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO
Debate Politics.com Copyright ©2004-2009
no new posts