45% Suspect Obama Team Involved in Blagojevich Scandal

Reverend_Hellh0und · 12-16-08, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders

I've already stated my views. Most likely Obama didn't have first hand evidence, and definitely didn't have enough to get Blaggy convicted (such as taped conversations). It's true that choosing not to engage in political suicide by accusing a politician of an extremely serious crime with no evidence whatsoever can fall under the umbrella of 'politics as usual.' So does choosing not to invade Canada. I'm not eager to see either practice eschewed from Washington.

So obama did not campaign on corruption and change? Do I really need to google some quotes for you?

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If you think this is what Obama was talking about when he spoke of "change" you have some serious comprehension issues.

Right, because you fail to listen, I am the one with the issue.

Ikari · 12-16-08, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

45+23= a whopping 68% think the obama camp were involved...

only 11% say not likley at all...

Are 68% of the people wrong? What do you think?

I think there is a very strong possibility that some in the Obama camp were involved. I also think that we'll never see light of day of those links. Too much Chicago going on for us to get to the bottom of it all.

Goobieman · 12-16-08, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardinal

Are you sure you clicked the "quote" icon for the right person? Because that doesn't address what I said in any way whatsoever.

It does.
You were refrring to people that hear the same thing over and over and get a false impression from it.
This would include those who think that, without a doubt, Bush linked saddam to 9-11.

JMak · 12-16-08, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardinal

Are you sure you clicked the "quote" icon for the right person? Because that doesn't address what I said in any way whatsoever.

I'm sure I addressed your comments. The implication of your comments was that those who believe Bush made a connection btw Iraq and 9/11 are irrational. Hence, I was noting that you just characterized a very large number of Democrats as irrational.

If that was not the implication you intended to be read from your comments, my apologies.

Cardinal · 12-16-08, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Goobieman

It does.
You were refrring to people that hear the same thing over and over and get a false impression from it.
This would include those who think that, without a doubt, Bush linked saddam to 9-11.

Nope.
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Goobieman · 12-16-08, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardinal

Nope.
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Oh, right. That's different.
Sorry.

Cardinal · 12-16-08, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JMak

I'm sure I addressed your comments. The implication of your comments was that those who believe Bush made a connection btw Iraq and 9/11 are irrational. Hence, I was noting that you just characterized a very large number of Democrats as irrational.

If that was not the implication you intended to be read from your comments, my apologies.

While repetition is indeed a device to use over weak minds, that wasn't what I was talking about. I was referring to something even more pathetic: The correlating of two ideas because they occupy close proximity. E.G. you wait at the bus stop on 5th and Main, and I wait at the bus stop on 5th and Main. Conclusion: you and I are lifelong friends. In the Bush example, it was the mere proximity "Saddam" or "Iraq" shared with "9/11." By hearing the two words together, an extremely undiscerning listener would assume that one had something to do with the other. This works doubly so with images. If I were to put this around the internet enough, how long do you think it would take before you started hearing rumors that Microsoft had something to do with 9/11?

Yeah, I know, it's retarded. And that's what this whole Obama/Blagojevich scandal is as well: retarded. Because people keep hearing the word "Obama" every time the Blagojevich scandal is brought up, they think there must be reason to think Obama was involved in some way, even though absolutely no factual evidence points to that.

JMak · 12-16-08, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardinal

Yeah, I know, it's retarded. And that's what this whole Obama/Blagojevich scandal is as well: retarded. Because people keep hearing the word "Obama" every time the Blagojevich scandal is brought up, they think there must be reason to think Obama was involved in some way, even though absolutely no factual evidence points to that.

I understand what you were saying, I just drew an implication from it.

But, I am a discerning observer, yet I firmly believe that Obama was involved. I just don't know the level. Who (And I'll exercise some license here) in their right mind doesn't believe that the former Senator and now President-elect would not be involved in the selection process? That much is obvious. The second reason...Rahm. It seems he was in frequent contact with Blago, far too much to be exchanging pleasantries.

The more fascinating part of this was Obama's reax to it. Yet another instance of, "This is not the ~insert name~ that I knew." Fascinating.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 12-16-08, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JMak

I understand what you were saying, I just drew an implication from it.

But, I am a discerning observer, yet I firmly believe that Obama was involved. I just don't know the level. Who (And I'll exercise some license here) in their right mind doesn't believe that the former Senator and now President-elect would not be involved in the selection process? That much is obvious. The second reason...Rahm. It seems he was in frequent contact with Blago, far too much to be exchanging pleasantries.

The more fascinating part of this was Obama's reax to it. Yet another instance of, "This is not the ~insert name~ that I knew." Fascinating.

Obama=Sgt Shultz. "I know nothing"

Zyphlin · 12-16-08, 04:20 PM

Oh, and for the record, I actually do think someone Obama's staff did know at least a bit about what was going on...and that was Emanuel. I don't know or have enough to say that Obama knew really much of it, but I do think Rhom had at least some idea. Though I will also admit I have not looked a gigantic amount at this so I may be wrong...but if asked in such a poll I'd likely say "yes" if it was asked about staff and probably lean towards "no" in regards to Obama specifically.

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