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Fact Check: Kissinger Defends McCain's Iran Stance

Now this wa funny, Obama got caught in the debate claiming kissenger supported presidential level direct talks with iran without pre-conditions......


Well Kissinger sets him straight.





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"Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality," Kissinger said in statement issued by the McCain campaign.
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Re: Fact Check: Kissinger Defends McCain's Iran Stance

Maybe Henry is getting a little forgetful a 85 years of age.

< Kissinger backs direct U.S. talks with Iran
By Camilla Hall and Mike Schneider
Bloomberg News
Published: March 15, 2008

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said the U.S. should negotiate directly with Iran over its nuclear program and other bilateral issues.
"One should be prepared to negotiate, and I think we should be prepared to negotiate about Iran," Kissinger, who brokered the end of the 1973 Yom Kippur war and peace talks with the North Vietnamese, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. Asked whether he meant the U.S. should hold direct talks, Kissinger, 84, responded: "Yes, I think we should."
There has been no response so far from Iran, he said.
"I've been in semi-private, totally private talks with Iranians," he said.
"They've had put before them approaches that with a little flexibility on their part would, in my view, surely lead to negotiations." He didn't elaborate on who was engaged in the talks.
While the Bush administration pursues a policy of diplomatic pressure on Iran at the United Nations and unilateral sanctions to weaken its access to the international banking system, the U.S. hasn't ruled out military action to halt Iran's nuclear work. There has been no direct contact between the U.S. and Iran since the 1979 Iranian revolution, except for talks in Baghdad on Iraqi security between their ambassadors or technical experts.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said March 9 that Iran wouldn't engage with the U.S. until President Bush's successor is elected.
Democratic presidential contender Sen. Barack Obama has said he would meet with U.S. adversaries such as the leaders of Iran without conditions, positions his primary opponent, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, called "irresponsible and frankly naive.">

Deseret News | Kissinger backs direct U.S. talks with Iran

Don’t like that one check this one out.

Kissinger: Open direct Iran talks - UPI.com
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i think you take him out of context.


he clarified for you.
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Re: Fact Check: Kissinger Defends McCain's Iran Stance

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i think you take him out of context.


he clarified for you.

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<OBAMA: "Sen. McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who is one of his advisers, who along with five recent secretaries of state just said we should meet with Iran — guess what? — without preconditions."

MCCAIN: "Dr. Kissinger did not say that he would approve face-to-face meetings between the president of the United States and (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad. He did not say that. He said there could be secretary-level and lower-level meetings. I've always encouraged that."

THE FACTS: Obama was right that Kissinger called for meetings without preconditions. McCain was right that Kissinger did not call for such meetings to be between the two presidents.>

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Re: Fact Check: Kissinger Defends McCain's Iran Stance

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Now this wa funny, Obama got caught in the debate claiming kissenger supported presidential level direct talks with iran without pre-conditions......


Well Kissinger sets him straight.
Reverend, that's not what Obama said. He clarified that he did not state that Kissinger supported Presidential level direct talks with Iran. He claimed that Kissinger supported lower level direct talks with Iran. I believe that donc's links and the fact checking site support this position.
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Reverend, that's not what Obama said. He clarified that he did not state that Kissinger supported Presidential level direct talks with Iran. He claimed that Kissinger supported lower level direct talks with Iran. I believe that donc's links and the fact checking site support this position.
I brought out this very same point in the "Obama to McCain: 'You're Right' 9 times" thread on the U.S. Elections board. If folks (Republicans) would just listen and try to take the blinders off for just a little while maybe they would have heard his exact words, too.
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Re: Fact Check: Kissinger Defends McCain's Iran Stance

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Now this wa funny, Obama got caught in the debate claiming kissenger supported presidential level direct talks with iran without pre-conditions......

Well Kissinger sets him straight.
Actually re watch the debate. Obama never stated Kissinger said Presidential level talks. McCain just kept saying he was. Obama corrected McCain a number of times that he never said Presidential level talks and that it was direct talks without preconditions at secretary levels.
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I brought out this very same point in the "Obama to McCain: 'You're Right' 9 times" thread on the U.S. Elections board. If folks (Republicans) would just listen and try to take the blinders off for just a little while maybe they would have heard his exact words, too.
I hope those that made the erroneous claim will admit their mistake.
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Now this wa funny, Obama got caught in the debate claiming kissenger supported presidential level direct talks with iran without pre-conditions......


Well Kissinger sets him straight.
I read this the next day after the debate. The Obama Double Talk Express is out in full force stuttering and stammering away trying to do damage control.
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<OBAMA: "Sen. McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who is one of his advisers, who along with five recent secretaries of state just said we should meet with Iran — guess what? — without preconditions."

MCCAIN: "Dr. Kissinger did not say that he would approve face-to-face meetings between the president of the United States and (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad. He did not say that. He said there could be secretary-level and lower-level meetings. I've always encouraged that."

THE FACTS: Obama was right that Kissinger called for meetings without preconditions. McCain was right that Kissinger did not call for such meetings to be between the two presidents.>







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