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ALL BUSINESS: Don't count on ailing-dollar bailout

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By RACHEL BECK, AP Business Writer
Fri Jul 18, 12:28 PM ET

NEW YORK - Federal rescue plans are all the rage in Washington right now, for what seems to be everything but the dollar. The U.S. currency is not going to get a bailout, even though its steep decline is feeding inflation and straining the economy.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and other officials have assured us that the government is on the case of the plunging dollar.

Talk is cheap — they won't likely do anything about it.

That's because the Bush administration since taking office nearly eight years ago has not supported any U.S.-led intervention in foreign-exchange markets despite the greenback's steep decline. That action would involve buying the ailing currency to boost its value.

"It would take a rare set of circumstances to get the U.S. right now to intervene," said David Gilmore, a managing partner in Foreign Exchange Analytics in Essex, Conn.

With that in mind, we have to look at what Bernanke told Congress on Wednesday with some skepticism. While noting that intervention is rarely done, he said that temporary action on currencies isn't out of the question.

"Market intervention is a policy that's been undertaken a few times ... but there may be conditions where markets are disorderly, where some temporary action might be justified," he said during a hearing before the House Financial Services Committee.

That kind of rhetoric has been the only tool that Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson have used to bolster the dollar in recent months. In early June, they also floated the idea that intervention was a possibility, giving the dollar a brief run higher.

Bernanke's words on Wednesday gave a little jolt to the battered greenback, which had slumped the day before to a new low against the euro. At one point on Tuesday, a euro bought $1.6038, the most since the inception of the 15-nation currency.

The dollar's decline that day was fed by intensified worries about the health of the U.S. economy and financial system after the government announced a rescue plan for mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, not long after one of the country's biggest mortgage banks IndyMac Bank collapsed and was taken over by federal regulators on July 11.

While the dollar has been falling for some five years, continuing grim U.S. financial news has spurred a considerable slide in recent months. Not only has the U.S. economy taken a beating in the last year, but conditions seem to be getting worse as the housing market remains in a serious slump, credit conditions are tight and inflation is soaring.

To combat declining economic growth, the Fed has cut its overnight borrowing rate seven times since September to the ultra-low level of 2 percent. But that has done little to improve conditions, and has only exaggerated the dollar's weakness as investors have moved their funds — and thereby, sold their dollars — into countries offering higher interest rates.

Intervention talk from Bernanke and others may just be a way to buy some time, and hope the dollar reverses course on its own, a result of market forces rather than central bank intervention.

Currency experts say that could happen should the euro-zone's economies begin to break down as the U.S. outlook starts looking up.

Some of what has propelled the euro to new heights against the dollar has been the idea that Europe is in better financial health than the United States. The European Central Bank, which sets interest rates for the 15-nation euro zone, has adjusted its own rate once since last summer, making no cuts and then raising rates last month in an attempt to curb inflation.

But new data show increasing economic weakness in parts of Europe. Stock markets there have declined sharply since May in tandem with those in the United States. Investor sentiment in Switzerland and in Germany — Europe's biggest economy — has slumped, while there is evidence of weakening business conditions, with big job cuts and bankruptcies being announced.

Should things worsen abroad, it could indicate that United States is ahead of Europe in this downward business cycle. "(T)he fundamentals could soon shift in favor of the dollar over the euro," said Marc Chandler, global head of currency strategy at the investment firm Brown Brothers Harriman.

But the U.S. government has other tools that it could use besides currency intervention. One option, notes Gilmore of Foreign Exchange Analytics, is to turn back the clock to the late 1970s, and issue what became known then as "Carter Bonds." Those were U.S. Treasury bonds named after then-President Jimmy Carter, and they were denominated in German marks and Swiss francs. Their purpose was to make U.S. Treasuries more appealing to offshore investors — an effort that worked.

For now, the dollar is on its own, without any federal aid to prop it up. It's a lonely place to be.

Ron Paul was right after all.
 
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I love how Pro-Bush Republicans are pushing for all sorts of crazy ideas to lower oil prices yet they refuse to push for the one assured way that will drop prices:

Getting Uncle Bush and Uncle Ben to stop the decline of the dollar.

One has to wonder just how far Asian Central banks are willing to tolerate the decline in the value of their dollar holdings.
 
I love how Pro-Bush Republicans are pushing for all sorts of crazy ideas to lower oil prices yet they refuse to push for the one assured way that will drop prices:

Getting Uncle Bush and Uncle Ben to stop the decline of the dollar.

One has to wonder just how far Asian Central banks are willing to tolerate the decline in the value of their dollar holdings.

One might also wonder, just how long it will take before all those who hold US treasury bonds, (Asia, Europe etc etc) before they stop.

The US has slowed it's "borrowing", but that's not going to fix anything.

Hey, maybe they could give us another $600. That would pay off my 1,000 acre ranch in burmuda.
 
One might also wonder, just how long it will take before all those who hold US treasury bonds, (Asia, Europe etc etc) before they stop.


Between China and Japan, they have the power to destroy America. A single day of mass sell off of all of their dollar asset holdings would kill the US economy. Throwing hundreds of billions, possibly even a trillion worth of dollars, bonds and T-bills into the market in one day would devalue the dollar so much we'd be a third world country. Really we are their b****.

The US has slowed it's "borrowing", but that's not going to fix anything.

It's going to take decades to fix this problem.

Hey, maybe they could give us another $600. That would pay off my 1,000 acre ranch in burmuda.

hahaha. Son of Stimulus, really just another giant loan.
 
I don't know if I'd say that. It's MAD, there isn't a scenario where we go down and they don't.

Right NOW that is MAD. But as decoupling marches on with its marathon it won't be. At some point, it will be the rational thing to do. Already China has changing its trading partner mix as is Japan. America is quickly losing weight as the 800 lb Gorilla in the world market. Several emerging markets, such as Brazil are not effected by the current slow down in the US. This should frighten every hyper-nationalist in the US. When the world is not dependent on us, then we simply become just another player.

On this I agree

Well unless we become a massive exporter of green technology. That would radically change our trade deficits as well as create millions of new high tech jobs. I'd love to see the dollar get so high that few tourists come to America due to the outrageous prices.

Worse, it's just trying to trick people into spending more than they'd be comfortable with had the government never taken more money than it needed (which is essentially the statement of these checks)

Even worse, it doesn't appear to be working well. Only about 20% of the money actually went into the market. The savings rate went from .4% to 5%. While that is generally good, it's not when we need to spend money to boost the economy.
 
Well it'll be a progressive thing, that's the only way they could really get value out of the sale.

Most likely. Still, they have the power to destroy the US without firing a single bullet. All thanks to Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan (Especially Reagan!) and previous presidents and Congresses.

It's ultimately a question of whether China can find a way of surviving economically without US consumer markets, which I don't see as being likely.

I can. Market demand from the emerging world is eating up quite a large amount of trade that normally went to the US. India is still seeing quite large growth rates even as the West is in a nose dive. Brazil as well. That says to me that the developing world is decoupling itself from the First, that they can provide a substantial amount of market demand to each other and serve as engines of each other's growth. If I was a hyper-nationalist, I'd be ****ing in my pants over decoupling.

Japan I could see trying to extract whatever value they can from the investment through a selling strategy if they conclude the investments to be sunk costs, but I don't see it from China.

Not now, but give it a decade and you will. Assuming that China doesn't collapse from internal conflict over repression.

It doesn't necessarily need to be green, there's a ton of money in any energy form with supply chains that are more reliable than oil is more efficient, but you're right that's where the most money is. We've become Europe's Mexico already, it sucks around Chicago cause there's European tourists everywhere.

Could be worse. I hear Florida is crawling with Europeans. So much so that parts of Florida have an economic position that's 180 degrees different from the rest of the country.
 
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