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Old 07-23-08, 08:30 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Your point is number 2 on the absurd list. So, an increase of 1.2% is insignificant?? How about 10 increases of 1.2%?? How about 20 increases of 1.2%?? Any increase in supply will help keep the economy going and reduce prices until alternatives can become practical.
I agree that more supply will keep us going till alternatives become practical.. however alternatives will not become practical in the present political environment in the US as there is no incentive to provide alternatives. Look at the whole off shore oil drilling debate, and how twisted it has become, totally lacking facts.

That's why a shock like this is good, not only for the free market to finally get its act together, but also the corrupt politicians world wide that promote the agenda of the oil companies and oil consuming companies ahead of alternative energy systems.

I have seen all this before. In Europe we had a very rude shock in the 1970s and early 1980s. This rude shock, car free Sundays and so on, forced a new type of politician to emerge. Sure they are still some what in the "pocket" of big business, but they are far far far more independent, as in going against big business than they were before the oil crisis. May it be emission standards for industry, pollution standards or fuel efficiency for cars and trucks, to promoting public transport across the continent. Note, the French public high speed train company posted over 1 billion euros in profits for the last year.. so yes public transport can be profitable if done right.

This has meant that the oil surge of today has not had the same impact on European's as its had on Americans and Europe leads the world in alternative energy (non oil/coal) technology.

That's why the vision of a "moon shot" on US energy, from whoever, is a good one as it has many more benefits for the US and the world than staying the present course. The only ones it will hurt are the big oil companies and the companies refusing to accept the facts.. aka GM and Ford... and of course oil producing nations. But even they are thinking beyond oil, and investing heavily in non oil industries and alternative energy as they know that oil will run out.. so why is the US so stubborn and sticking to oil!?
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Economically impossible. Oil is traded on a global market, whether you like it or not. The price of a barrel of oil is a function of global supply and global demand. Therefore it only makes sense to view the possible increase in drilling in terms of the effect on the GLOBAL supply.

The more oil we buy from ANYWHERE, the more money flows into the coffers of Iran and Russia, even if we produced all of our oil needs domestically.
I don't think of it that way....
Price of oil, or what we pay for gas at the pump, is not the only issue. We should be thinking of cost, not price alone.

Energy independence is much more important.
We can get closer to that, by conserving, drilling, and use of existing alternatives. The 3 prong approach will do the trick a lot faster than some think. Certainly pinning our hopes on scientists coming up with a magic pill will NOT do the trick.....
Commuter cars in congested areas are here, and will increase in use. That will help conserve, but we will always need oil even if all our cars become electric.
Drilling, preferably on land first, is essential to reduce the amount of oil we are buying from our enemies, the arabs.
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That's why the vision of a "moon shot" on US energy, from whoever, is a good one as it has many more benefits for the US and the world than staying the present course. The only ones it will hurt are the big oil companies and the companies refusing to accept the facts.. aka GM and Ford... and of course oil producing nations. But even they are thinking beyond oil, and investing heavily in non oil industries and alternative energy as they know that oil will run out.. so why is the US so stubborn and sticking to oil!?
Why are we sticking to oil? The people demand it, and our politicians are a bunch of spineless worms who say what we want to hear instead of exposing us to the realities of the situation.
We have no leadership.....
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OK, now we are getting somewhere. So, you think a significant amount would be somewhere between 1.2% and 12%... Care to narrow that down some??
I think a 10% increase in the global supply would be significant, although I don't think even that would reduce the cost of oil (because demand will probably increase even more than that, in the time it takes to set up shop). That doesn't mean we can't do other smaller things too, but it does mean that people should not look at something small and claim that it's the solution to our energy problems.

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My point is that every little bit of oil helps. You can not say that an increase of only 1.2% won't help. The left says that about every potential oil source. We can't drill in ANWR because it will ONLY provide us with 10-12 billion barrels of oil, and we can't drill offshore because it will ONLY provide us with 10-12 billion barrels of oil... and besides, it will be at least 5 years before we see any of it at the pump. That's a lot of oil.
I have never said that we can't drill in ANWR or that we can't drill offshore. I just wish that we could just do it without people using it as an excuse to avoid having an actual energy policy.
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